Re: [rtcweb] TURN server address via DHCP, WGLC of draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-cases-and-requirements-11

["Karl Stahl" <[e-mail]>]

We checked some more mobile service providers in US and Japan (Softbank) and
they all did reverse DNS for the real IP address at the OTT channel.

 

US: Charter Communications, Broadband: Hostname:
66-189-44-147.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com 

US: Verizon Wireless, Wireless Broadband: Hostname:
179.sub-174-252-35.myvzw.com

Japan (Softbank): ASAHI Net,Inc.: Hostname: k185241.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp

Sweden (Tele2/Comviq): Hostname: m90-130-225-160.cust.tele2.se

Sweden: Telia Sonera AB, Wireless Broadband: Hostname:
host-95-199-20-150.mobileonline.telia.com

Sweden: Tele2 SWlPnet, Tele2 Mobil, wireless Broadband: Hostname:
m5-243-149-119.cust.tele2.se

Sweden: Telenor Sverige AB, Wireless Broadband: Hostname:
c-5eeaaa41-74736162.cust.telenor.se

 

/Karl

 

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On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Karl Stahl <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Does your mobile provider currently do reverse dns for your mobile's real
ip address?

>CB

Good question and the answer is good: Yes

We just checked both major 3G mobile operators TeleaSonera and Tele2 in
Sweden.

E.g. just surfing  to http://whatismyipaddress.com 

(which tells me it is TeliaSonera, Wireless Broadband)

Then clicking the “Additional IP Details” button, I get the PTR record:

host-95-199-196-65.mobileonline.telia.com

Tele2 gave: m83-186-15-99.cust.tele2.se

 

So, obviously mobile providers have ways of provisioning these kind of
things in DNS.

 

How does it look in other places of the world?

 

[SV] This is NOT the case for Vodafone Italy

 

/Karl

 

 

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On Sep 26, 2013 8:27 AM, "Karl Stahl" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Here comes the suggestion I got from my developer that would allow a
network
> provider to offer his TURN server for the WebRTC browser to use. This
would
> require NO new DHCP-options or similar, and NO OS changes (I do realize
> those should be avoided if possible...).
>
> The idea is still, that whoever is responsible for giving a device an IP
> address (the network provider or a LAN administrator) can also announce a
> TURN server for the WebRTC browser to use.
>
> The suggestion is to use RFC6763 (DNS-Based Service Discovery, see chapter
> 11) where the network provider (the owner of the IP address) has set up a
> DNS PTR record for the TURN server in the in-addr.arpa domain.
>
> If the device got IP 173.164.252.149, then make a query for the PTR record
> for:
> _turn._udp.149.252.164.173.in-addr.arpa.
> Then the SRV record would return the actual address to the TURN server
(and
> you may find several for load balancing and failover I guess)
>
> If the device is on a LAN, the IP 173.164.252.149 to query would be the
WAN
> IP you get via STUN in the ICE process. But if the LAN administrator
> provides a local TURN server, then he also should have blocked STUN in the
> firewall, and the browser should query the device's local host address (as
> in the ICE procedure) and the local LAN DNS server should answer the query
> to give the local TURN server address on the LAN.
>
> Shouldn't this work to allow network provider to offer his TURN server
> "automatically and generally"?
>
> And wouldn't this work nicely for mobile devices, whenever the device is
on
> a "WebRTC-ready access" (actually good for everything using ICE), whether
> fixed, WiFi or 3G/4G OTT, you get also a TURN server (and the network
> provider hopefully offers a prioritized pipe there as one usage of this
> mechanism).
>

Does your mobile provider currently do reverse dns for your mobile's real ip
address?

CB

> Not to slow down every call setup by doing this in the ICE process, I
guess
> this could be done when starting the browser and when the device gets a
new
> IP address, to have the TURN server address ready for later use.
>
> /Karl
>
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> Hi,
>
> Cullen Jennings wrote:
> >
> > I will note that browsers have many ways to learn about HTTP proxies
> > from the network and it seems to me that using some of theses same
> > technique might also be a good way to learn about TURN servers.
> >
>
> I agree. I assume that in enterprises it would be the same people managing
> both of these.
>
> Is there something the IETF can or should do about this, or do we just
> assume it will happen? A new DHCP option is something the IETF could
easily
> do, but I also doubt how usable that would be.
>
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