Re: [rtcweb] SIP MUST NOT be used in browser?

"Olle E. Johansson" <oej@edvina.net> Tue, 13 September 2011 13:43 UTC

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13 sep 2011 kl. 12:11 skrev Tim Panton:

> Minor nit - Phono isn't  a javascript SIP Stack. It is a javascript XMPP stack.
> The server-side gateways out to SIP etc.

A major thing is that you call it a minor nit. That is an important observation for the specs.

/O
> 
> Tim.
> On 11 Sep 2011, at 21:13, Ravindran Parthasarathi wrote:
> 
>> Hi Aaron,
>> 
>> Javascript SIP stacks (Ex: phono.com) exists already and RTCWeb1.0 is
>> not a gating factor for those development. My worry is that RTCWeb1.0 is
>> standardized and then identify the gap in signaling which is not a good
>> protocol design. It is better to discuss with signaling rather than just
>> solving media protocol requirement alone. In case any implementation
>> deployed, the backward compatibility has to be provided till the end of
>> the product and RTCWeb1.0 is a not an exception.
>> 
>> For the time factor concern, let us work for the quick closer and I have
>> no disagreement there. But I have problem in case it is mentioned as the
>> issues will not be solved to meet the WG deadline.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Partha
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On
>> Behalf
>>> Of Aaron Clauson
>>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 7:26 PM
>>> To: rtcweb@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [rtcweb] SIP MUST NOT be used in browser?
>>> 
>>> Another 2 cents from a SIP person.
>>> 
>>> I think attempting to incorporate SIP (or Jingle et al) into RTCWeb
>>> would be
>>> a bad idea for the reason that it would significantly slow down and
>>> complicate the standard. If SIP is included in RTCWeb then there will
>>> need
>>> to be a discussion, already emerging here, about which parts of SIP to
>>> include and all the other intricacies of SIP; transports, sips vs sip,
>>> request routing etc etc.
>>> 
>>> Writing a javascript SIP stack is a small task compared to getting the
>>> RTCWeb media capabilities built into browsers. As soon as the first
>>> browser
>>> appears that supports RTP then javascript SIP stacks will start popping
>>> up
>>> all over the place.
>>> 
>>> I for one would love to be able to process calls in my browser and to
>> be
>>> able to do it yesterday. Slowing the RTCWeb process down for something
>>> that
>>> will take care of itself anyway, namely readily available javascript
>>> signalling libraries, would be a shame.
>>> 
>>> Aaron
>>> 
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