Re: [rtcweb] Requesting "SDP or not SDP" debate to be re-opened

Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Wed, 26 June 2013 23:54 UTC

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On 26 June 2013 16:46, Peter Thatcher <pthatcher@google.com> wrote:
> You know you're in trouble when CU-RTC-Web is considered "much more simple"
> :).

When you are comparing to SDP O/A, pigs start looking like princesses.

> how could you test such a thing, without a working implementation of CU-RTC-Web?

http://html5labs.interoperabilitybridges.com/prototypes/cu-rtc-web-roaming/cu-rtc-web-roaming/info

Surely that's enough to build a proof of concept application.  I'm not
claiming that it's glamorous, far from it, there's some atrocious code
in there, but it's not a complete vacuum.