Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-dbenham-webrtcvideomti

Paul Coverdale <coverdale@sympatico.ca> Wed, 27 February 2013 17:28 UTC

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>
>*If* we're going to discuss codec quality, we need (much) better data
>than this.  Google's comparisons from the last IETF are much more
>scientific (though with the caveat I mentioned you have to watch out
>for).  I'll also assert that if the difference is minor (+-10 or 20%
>either way - number pulled out of air) it's irrelevant for this
>discussion.  Even major differences would require discussion as to
>whether they matter.  I personally don't see a need to discuss it,
>unless someone has hard facts that one or the other falls down badly by
>comparison - and that we don't believe it's something that can be fixed
>(especially if it's an implementation flaw).
>
>--
>Randell Jesup
>

So if we're not too fussy about quality/performance, what are the criteria
for choosing a video codec?

...Paul