Re: [rtcweb] Data channel comments and questions

Salvatore Loreto <salvatore.loreto@ericsson.com> Fri, 30 March 2012 19:15 UTC

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Hi Markus,

see in line

On 3/29/12 10:23 PM, Markus.Isomaki@nokia.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Some comments on the data channel proposal:
>
> 1. Congestion control: If no real-time sessions are on, TCP-style loss-driven congestion control is fine. However, if voice/video session is up, such congestion control would be disasterous to the real-time traffic quality if sendind or receiving more than a slight amount of data. Especially in mobile access networks the user would bloat his/her own buffers very easily. In that case, some less-than-best-effort congestion control algorithm รก la LEDBAT would be required. It would be best to make this a MUST requirement on implementations, otherwise we will get a lot of crappy video even if the codec was better than H.261 :-)
good point worth to discuss

the congestion control algorithm in the actual SCTP open source userland 
implementation is a TCP-friendly congestion control.
As I said during the presentation we can change it if we see the reason 
not to use it (and you have already some good one)...
however it should be clear that at moment SCTP does not have any way to 
negotiate the congestion control algorithm to use in an association.

So whatever we choose it will be the one used in all the possible 
scenarios (e.g. voice/video session up or down, etc).

>
> 2. Multihoming and interface switching: I don't suggest going for the multipath support on the SCTP level. I think it would be best to deal with this through ICE in the same way as for RTP, i.e. adding and removing candidates as interfaces become available or go. Or let the application handle it by creating a new data channel and continue from the breakpoint. The most important requirement is that the application gets notified about these changes downstrairs so it can act.
that is exact the proposal in the data-channel draft.
Anyway you can not use multihoming because of the fact that SCTP runs on 
top of DTLS
>
>
> 3. HTTP tunneling: In practice we are going to need HTTP tunneling last-resort option for the data channel as well. If doing so, what will the protocol stack look like? Is it SCTP/DTLS/UDP/HTTP/TLS/TCP? Or can we collapse some of these layers. I think we'd better.

this is something to figure it out.
Eric proposal make sense to me;
another possibility would be use WebSocket when you have to tunneling 
data over HTTP/HTTPS.

Salvatore

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