Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process

Ron <ron@debian.org> Wed, 27 November 2013 18:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process
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On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 06:02:25PM +0000, tim panton wrote:
> 
> On 27 Nov 2013, at 17:54, John Leslie <john@jlc.net>; wrote:
> 
> > Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>; wrote:
> >> 
> >> For the proposed voting process see our previous message
> >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/current/msg09909.html
> >> 
> >> As I stated, we chairs will need to update this based on the discussion.
> > 
> >   I gather the WGCs intend to update that tomorrow.
> > 
> >   While I would _much_ prefer not to mix discussion of the process
> > with discussion of the alternatives, there are some really serious
> > problems with this proposal.
> 
> In the spirit of sheer mischief, I’d like to propose that individuals who
> work for organisations that would directly profit from the gathering of
> license fees should be requested to recuse themselves from the votes
> involving those fees, due to conflict of interest.
> 
> - This is the norm in voting for local government here in the UK.
> 
> Whilst I’m not entirely serious, I am raising this to indicate what
> happens when you start to make up process on the fly.

Clearly we need an electoral collage to vote on whose vote counts
as a vote.
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