Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask and how to ask them)

Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> Wed, 05 November 2014 17:28 UTC

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From: Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:27:49 -0800
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask and how to ask them)
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On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 3:22 AM, Stefan Håkansson LK <
stefan.lk.hakansson@ericsson.com> wrote:

> On 04/11/14 07:36, Justin Uberti wrote:
> >     ps. Doing this with hums at a meeting just encourages filling the
> >     room with people who aren't participating in the process but whose
> >     employers have asked them to stuff the room to increase the hum
> >     volume. Those people will all stand up for question #1, then leave
> >     immediately after the hums are completed. Just like last time.
> >
> > I am shocked -- shocked -- at these allegations of room stuffing in our
> > beloved IETF.  Surely the blue
> > <
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/bluesheets/bluesheets-88-rtcweb-01.pdf>
> > sheets
> > <
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/bluesheets/bluesheets-88-rtcweb-02.pdf>
> > from IETF 88 (the last time we discussed codecs, on day 2) will put to
> > rest these claims.
> >
> > Wait...
> >
> > Company       Day2 RTCWEB Attendees   Day1 RTCWEB Attendees   Delta
> > cisco         25      15      10
> > mozilla       12      12      0
> > ericsson      10      5       5
>
> When I read the blue sheets I get 9 and 6 respectively. One of the three
> delta persons was Bo Burman who presented
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/slides/slides-88-rtcweb-8.pdf.
>

Yes, this was a counting error on my part, apologies for that.