Re: [rtcweb] A proposal for FEC
Varun Singh <vsingh.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 19 May 2014 15:40 UTC
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From: Varun Singh <vsingh.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 18:40:04 +0300
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] A proposal for FEC
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On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> wrote: > RFC 5109 defines a basic XOR-based scheme that should be useful in certain > cases (e.g. high RTT). The concern expressed today about this not working in > BUNDLE situations is addressed in RFC 5956, S 4.3, using ssrc-group to allow > SSRC multiplexing, and this is endorsed by Unified Plan, S 3.3. > > I would like to see ULPFEC/5109 move forward as a baseline FEC mechanism for > 1.0. We can look into other options for future versions of WebRTC. I would like to +1 the use of FEC. There have been a couple of studies done on Google's congestion control algorithm, the results show the use of FEC. See Figure 5 in [1] shows the proportion of FEC and RETX at different latencies, and Table 2 in [2] shows that the use of FEC and RETX can be used as a error-resilience mechanism. Stefan Holmer from Google also published [3] which makes the case of FEC in WebRTC. Further, we have experimented with varying the amount of FEC to perform congestion control with promising results [4]. [1] Experimental Investigation of the Google Congestion Control for Real-Time Flows; L. De Cicco et al., http://c3lab.poliba.it/images/0/07/Webrtc_cc-Fhcmn2013.pdf [2] Performance Analysis of Receive-Side Real-Time Congestion Control for WebRTC; Singh et al., http://www.netlab.tkk.fi/~jo/papers/2013-12-pv-webrtc-cc.pdf [3] Handling Packet Loss in WebRTC, Holmer et al. http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en//pubs/archive/41611.pdf [4] Congestion Control using FEC for Conversational Multimedia Communication; Nagy et al. http://www.netlab.tkk.fi/~varun/nagy2014mmsys.pdf
- [rtcweb] A proposal for FEC Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] A proposal for FEC Stefan HÃ¥kansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] A proposal for FEC Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] A proposal for FEC Varun Singh
- Re: [rtcweb] A proposal for FEC Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] A proposal for FEC Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] A proposal for FEC Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] A proposal for FEC Jonathan Lennox
- Re: [rtcweb] A proposal for FEC Suhas Nandakumar
- Re: [rtcweb] A proposal for FEC Magnus Westerlund