Re: WG Adoption request for draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-demand

Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> Sat, 16 February 2019 18:46 UTC

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From: Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org>
To: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: WG Adoption request for draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-demand
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Greg,

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 09:38:08AM -0800, Greg Mirsky wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 8:33 AM Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> wrote:
> > Thanks for the update on the IPR declaration.  It's good to see that the
> > terms of the licensing have shifted such that open source implementations
> > would be able to be done.  I'll note that we're still in that limbo phase
> > wherein it's not possible for the Working Group, or holders of IPR against
> > the impacted RFCs 5880, 5883, and 5884, know what is being asserted that is
> > distinct vs. previously published IPR declarations.
> >
> GIM>> My understanding of the legal side of IPR Disclosures is that the
> last overwrites, including in regard to the licensing terms, previous
> disclosures.

The IPR disclosure and the licensing terms are clear.

The patent is still pending.  The draft is against procedures largely
specified in 5880, 5883, and 5884.  Presumably IPR has been filed because
you're saying that you're doing something new against these documents.

> GIM>> The behavior of the system in Demand mode is introduced as optional.
> And that is precisely the update to RFC 5880.

I don't understand.

Basically, 5880, 5884 leave demand as an option.  It's built into the specs.
It's unclear what you're suggesting being changed.

-- Jeff