Re: IETF OSPF YANG and BFD Configuration

"Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com> Tue, 20 June 2017 14:18 UTC

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From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com>
To: Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org>
CC: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" <rrahman@cisco.com>, Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com>, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@juniper.net>, OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "rtg-bfd@ietf. org" <rtg-bfd@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bfd-yang@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bfd-yang@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: IETF OSPF YANG and BFD Configuration
Thread-Topic: IETF OSPF YANG and BFD Configuration
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Jeff, 

On 6/20/17, 10:20 AM, "Jeffrey Haas" <jhaas@pfrc.org> wrote:

>Acee,
>
>On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:10:43PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
>> I don’t really feel there is a strong requirement to support different
>> timers values per protocol even though several implementations allow
>> different protocol specific values to be configured (with varying
>> behaviors). 
>> 
>> If there were such a requirement, I would think it would be better
>> satisfied by extending the BFD model session key with an additional
>> identifier, e.g., <interface/dst-ip/instance>.
>
>I suspect multi-instancing may be where this conversation goes.
>
>> IMO, this would be
>> preferable to allowing the details of BFD to permeate into all the other
>> protocol models. This would require configuration of the instance rather
>> than a boolean in the protocols.
>
>My lingering concern is whether the client protocol may have preferences
>about what session to use when such multi-instancing is permitted.
>Minimally this would require some sort of Yang reference to the specific
>instance.

Right - this is what I just said.
>
>As I'm noting in the other response, do we really expect BFD Yang model
>users to pre-provision every single OSPF/ISIS adjacency in the config
>stanza?  Likely, no.

Agreed. 
>
>What I tend to expect is a template being used for a service profile.  We
>don't currently have such a thing.

Agreed. My point is that the BFD specific parameters should in the BFD
model rather than the protocol models.

Acee
>
>-- Jeff