Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-packets
Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> Thu, 25 October 2018 15:12 UTC
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From: Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org>
To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>
Cc: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" <rrahman@cisco.com>, "Naiming Shen (naiming)" <naiming@cisco.com>, "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" <rtg-bfd@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-packets
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Les, A brief note, and one worn as a chair: Despite having strong personal preferences about mail quoting, I realize that not everyone gets a chance to choose a client of their own choice. But that said, your responses in this thread have been impossible to parse out from the surrounding reply in text-plain readers. This includes the IETF mailarchive. Please make adjustments to your mail reply styling so as to be more readable. Thanks. :-) And now on to non-chair commentary: On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 02:57:17PM +0000, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > Reshad – > > I think there are two cases: > > 1)A client who uses encapsulation (MPLS is an easy example) and really needs to know if an MTU sized packet plus the encapsulation can be delivered vs a client who does NOT use encap and only cares about Layer 3 sized MTU packets > > 2)A client which has deliberately limited the max-sized packet they will ever send and really only cares about (MTU –X) While I agree with your sentiment from the perspective of BFD clients, I think the use case goes slightly bigger than this. In the cases driving Albert's original scenario, we're not protecting BGP, IGPs or other control plane protocols for large packets. What's really being protected is user payload. So, to some extent, the use case piggy-backs on existing protection of a client to guarantee the path has a sufficient MTU. -- Jeff
- BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-packets Reshad Rahman (rrahman)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Greg Mirsky
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Naiming Shen (naiming)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Enke Chen
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Reshad Rahman (rrahman)
- RE: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… bruno.decraene
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… xiao.min2
- RE: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Naiming Shen (naiming)
- RE: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Naiming Shen (naiming)
- RE: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Naiming Shen (naiming)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Reshad Rahman (rrahman)
- RE: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- RE: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Albert Fu (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK)
- RE: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Reshad Rahman (rrahman)
- RE: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- RE: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Albert Fu (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Albert Fu (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Greg Mirsky
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Albert Fu (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Albert Fu (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Naiming Shen (naiming)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Albert Fu (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK)
- RE: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- RE: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Albert Fu (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Acee Lindem (acee)
- RE: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Albert Fu (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Albert Fu (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Reshad Rahman (rrahman)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Reshad Rahman (rrahman)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Reshad Rahman (rrahman)
- RE: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Jeffrey Haas
- RE: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Jeffrey Haas
- BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-packets Reshad Rahman (rrahman)
- Re: BFD WG adoption for draft-haas-bfd-large-pack… Jeffrey Haas