Re: BFD over VXLAN: Trapping BFD Control packet at VTEP

Dinesh Dutt <> Wed, 31 July 2019 18:25 UTC

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From: Dinesh Dutt <>
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 11:25:21 -0700
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Subject: Re: BFD over VXLAN: Trapping BFD Control packet at VTEP
To: Greg Mirsky <>
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Hi Greg,

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:20 AM Greg Mirsky <> wrote:

> Hi Dinesh,
> thank you for your consideration of the proposal and questions. What would
> you see as the scope of testing the connectivity for the specific VNI? If
> it is tenant-to-tenant, then VTEPs will treat these packets as regular user
> frames. More likely, these could be Layer 2 OAM, e.g. CCM frames. The
> reason to use 127/8 for IPv4, and 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:7F00:0/104 for IPv6 is to
> safeguard from leaking Ethernet frames with BFD Control packet to a tenant.
> You've suggested using a MAC address to trap the control packet at VTEP.
> What that address could be? We had proposed using the dedicated MAC and
> VTEP's MAC and both raised concerns among VXLAN experts. The idea of using
> Management VNI may be more acceptable based on its similarity to the
> practice of using Management VLAN.

If you use the inner IP address as the VTEP IP address, then use the MAC
address that the VTEP would respond with when replying to an ARP for that
VTEP IP address. If a VXLAN expert disagrees with this, could you kindly
tell me who it is so that I can understand their disagreement? So this
handles the case where the VNI is not a user-tenant VNI. If the VNI used in
the BFD packet is a user-tenant VNI, then the receiving VTEP MUST have an
IP address in that VNI (mapped to a VRF) else you cannot use that VNI in
the BFD packet. Why won't this combination address all the cases you've
listed? What am I missing? Define VNI 1 as a possible use, not VNI 0. I
objected to VNI 0 because there are too many switching siicon out there and
some of them will not be able to handle this scenario.


> Regards,
> Greg
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:03 PM Dinesh Dutt <> wrote:
>> Hi Greg,
>> As long as the inner MAC address is such that the packet is trapped to
>> the CPU, it should be fine for use as an inner MAC is it not? Stating that
>> is better than trying to force a management VNI. What if someone wants to
>> test connectivity on a specific VNI? I would not pick a loopback IP address
>> for this since that address range is host/node local only. Is there a
>> reason you're not using the VTEP IP as the inner IP address ?
>> Dinesh
>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 5:48 AM Greg Mirsky <>
>> wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>> thank you for your comments, suggestions on this issue, probably the
>>> most challenging for this specification. In the course of our discussions,
>>> we've agreed to abandon the request to allocate the dedicated MAC address
>>> to be used as the destination MAC address in the inner Ethernet frame.
>>> Also, earlier using VNI 0 was changed from mandatory to one of the options
>>> an implementation may offer to an operator. The most recent discussion was
>>> whether VTEP's MAC address might be used as the destination MAC address in
>>> the inner Ethernet frame. As I recall it, the comments from VXLAN experts
>>> equally split with one for it and one against. Hence I would like to
>>> propose a new text to resolve the issue. The idea is to let an operator
>>> select Management VNI and use that VNI in VXLAN encapsulation of BFD
>>> Control packets:
>>> An operator MUST select a VNI number to be used as Management VNI. VXLAN
>>> packet for Management VNI MUST NOT be sent to a tenant. VNI number 1 is
>>> RECOMMENDED as the default for Management VNI.
>>> With that new text, what can be the value of the destination MAC in the
>>> inner Ethernet? I tend to believe that it can be anything and ignored by
>>> the reciever VTEP. Also, if the trapping is based on VNI number, the
>>> destination IP address of the inner IP packet can from the range 127/8 for
>>> IPv4, and for IPv6 from the range 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:7F00:0/104. And lastly,
>>> the TTL to be set to 1 (no change here).
>>> Much appreciate your comments, questions, and suggestions.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Greg