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BR =20 Daniele =20 =20 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ =20 Sent: den 15 december 2018 18:42 To: Daniele Ceccarelli ; = (rtg-ads@ietf.org) Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; v6ops@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas.all@ietf.org Subject: Re: [v6ops] RtgDir review: = draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas-11 =20 =EF=BB=BFHi Daniele, =20 Thanks a lot for your review. =20 Please, see my responses below, in-line. Regards, Jordi =20 =20 =20 De: v6ops > en = nombre de Daniele Ceccarelli > Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 15 de diciembre de 2018, 16:15 Para: " > (rtg-ads@ietf.org = )" = > CC: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" >, = "v6ops@ietf.org " >, = "draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas.all@ietf.org = " = > Asunto: [v6ops] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas-11 =20 Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. = The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related = drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and = sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide = assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing = Directorate, please see = = =E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it = would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF = Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through = discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas-11.txt=20 Reviewer: Daniele Ceccarelli Review Date: 2018-12-14 IETF LC End Date: date-if-know Intended Status: Informational Summary:=20 * I have some minor concerns about this document that I think = should be resolved before publication. Comments: * I find this draft quite difficult to read. Probably it=E2=80=99s = due to my lack of competence in the topic. If the aim is to make it = usable by experts it could be ok. This document is not defining = protocols extensions (hence targeting experts), but requirements and = mechanisms for IPv4-IPv6 transition hence it should be starting point = for a newbie to get to understand the topic. Some drawings to help = understanding the context and a more detailed explanation in the intro = would be helpful. E.g. the content of Annex B could be a good starting = point. I guess it can help to add a comment in the line that it is expected = that the reader has also read RFC7084. Initially the annex B was right after the intro, but the WG decided to = keep it, but make it an annex. I will make a comment in the intro to = reference the annex. [DC] It=E2=80=99s a good solution. I=E2=80=99ll try to have a look at = RFC7084 but if that document is a good starting point and this one = references that as a pre-requirement=E2=80=A6hence it will be clear for = a newbie how to approach the topic, hence fine with me.=20 Major Issues: * 1.1. Requirements Language - Special Note =E2=80=93 Very = particular usage of the requirements language. It says =E2=80=9CThis = document uses these keywords not strictly for the purpose of = interoperability, but rather for the purpose of establishing = industry-common baseline functionality.=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=99t see a = big difference. In both cases it tells how things should be done. = Moreover there are various occurrences of MUST/SHOULD that really seem = to conform RFC2119. This was made also following RFC7084. [DC] I find this very strange and I had never seen it before, but if it = is included in an RFC it means the IESG is ok with that and hence I = don=E2=80=99t see why you shouldn=E2=80=99t adopt it in your draft.=20 Minor Issues: * Abstract: =E2=80=9CThis document specifies the IPv4 service = continuity requirements for an IPv6 Customer Edge (CE) router, either = provided by the service provider or through the retail market.=E2=80=9D = Do you mean =E2=80=9Cor by producers of devices for the retail = market=E2=80=9D ? * Abstract: "Basic Requirements for IPv6 Customer Edge Routers". = Since this is in quotes I guess it references something well known. = Adding the reference could be helpful. Further reading I=E2=80=99ve = found RFC7084 as reference. You can add it. * The scope of the draft is not clear from the statement in the = intro: =E2=80=9Cso the scope of this document is to ensure the IPv4 = "service continuity" support, in the LAN side and the access to = IPv4-only Internet services from an IPv6-only access WAN even from = IPv6-only applications or devices in the LAN side.=E2=80=9D This should = be better explained.=20 I will clarify all those aspects. Initially I=E2=80=99d a reference to = the RFC7084 in the abstract, but it seems is not accepted by the nits = checker, so I=E2=80=99ve removed it. If someone has any suggestion on = that, I=E2=80=99m happy to follow it =E2=80=A6 [DC] You could spell it out explicitly. Something like =E2=80=9Cthis = document augments/leverages on the previously defined basic requirements = for IPv6 customer edge routers=E2=80=A6 Nits: * Intro: A number of acronyms should be expanded at first use: = e.g. LAN, WAN, HNCP, ISP. * Intro: :=E2=80=9CThis is a common situation in when = sufficient=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D remove =E2=80=9Cin=E2=80=9D. * Actually there is plenty of Nits. I suggest a spelling pass.=20 I will follow all those points as well. [DC] OK thanks. BR Daniele =20 _______________________________________________ v6ops mailing list = v6ops@ietf.org = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops=20 ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or = confidential. 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Hi Jordi,

 

Please see in line for my replies, but in general = I=E2=80=99d say the draft if good to go for = me.
BR

 

Daniele=C2=A0 =

 

From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ = <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
Sent: den 15 december 2018 = 18:42
To: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; = <rtg-ads@ietf.org> (rtg-ads@ietf.org) = <rtg-ads@ietf.org>
Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; v6ops@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas.all@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [v6ops] RtgDir review: = draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas-11

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> 

=EF=BB=BFHi = Daniele,

 

Thanks a lot for your review.

 

Please, see my responses below, = in-line.


R= egards,

Jordi

 

=

 

 

De: v6ops <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org> en = nombre de Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericss= on.com>
Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 15 de diciembre de 2018, = 16:15
Para: "<rtg-ads@ietf.org> (rtg-ads@ietf.org)" <rtg-ads@ietf.org>
CC: = "rtg-dir@ietf.org" = <rtg-dir@ietf.org>, = "v6ops@ietf.org" <v6ops@ietf.org>, "draft-ie= tf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas.all@ietf.org" <draft-ie= tf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas.all@ietf.org>
Asunto: = [v6ops] RtgDir review: = draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas-11=

 

H= ello,

I= have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. = The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related = drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and = sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide = assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing = Directorate, please see <= a href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir">=E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/Rtg= Dir

A= lthough these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it = would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF = Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through = discussion or by updating the draft.

D= ocument: draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas-11.txt 
Reviewer: = Daniele Ceccarelli
Review Date: 2018-12-14
IETF LC End Date: = date-if-know
Intended Status: Informational

S= ummary:&= nbsp;

=C2=B7       = I= have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be = resolved before publication.

C= omments:

=C2=B7       = I= find this draft quite difficult to read. Probably it=E2=80=99s due to = my lack of competence in the topic. If the aim is to make it usable by = experts it could be ok. This document is not defining protocols = extensions (hence targeting experts), but requirements and = mechanisms  for IPv4-IPv6 transition hence it should be starting = point for a newbie to get to understand the topic. Some drawings to help = understanding the context and a more detailed explanation in the intro = would be helpful. E.g. the content of Annex B could be a good starting = point.

I guess it can help to add a comment in the line that it is = expected that the reader has also read = RFC7084.

Initially the annex B was right after the intro, but the WG = decided to keep it, but make it an annex. I will make a comment in the = intro to reference the annex.

[DC] It=E2=80=99s a good = solution. I=E2=80=99ll try to have a look at RFC7084 but if that = document is a good starting point and this one references that as a = pre-requirement=E2=80=A6hence it will be clear for a newbie how to = approach the topic, hence fine with me. = =

M= ajor Issues:

=C2=B7       = 1= .1.  Requirements Language - Special Note =E2=80=93 Very particular = usage of the requirements language. It says =E2=80=9CThis document uses = these keywords not strictly for the purpose of interoperability, but = rather for the purpose of establishing industry-common baseline = functionality.=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=99t see a big difference. In both = cases it tells how things should be done. Moreover there are various = occurrences of MUST/SHOULD that really seem to conform = RFC2119.

This was made also = following RFC7084.

[DC] I find this very strange and I had = never seen it before, but if it is included in an RFC it means the IESG = is ok with that and hence I don=E2=80=99t see why you shouldn=E2=80=99t = adopt it in your draft.

M= inor Issues:

=C2=B7       = A= bstract: =E2=80=9CThis document specifies the IPv4 service continuity = requirements for an IPv6 Customer Edge (CE) router, either provided by = the service provider or through the retail market.=E2=80=9D Do you mean = =E2=80=9Cor by producers of devices for the retail market=E2=80=9D = ?

=C2=B7       = A= bstract: "Basic Requirements for IPv6 Customer Edge Routers". = Since this is in quotes I guess it references something well known. = Adding the reference could be helpful. Further reading I=E2=80=99ve = found RFC7084 as reference. You can add it.

=C2=B7       = T= he scope of the draft is not clear from the statement in the intro: = =E2=80=9Cso the scope of this document is to ensure the IPv4 = "service continuity" support, in the LAN side and the access = to IPv4-only Internet services from an IPv6-only access WAN even from = IPv6-only applications or devices in the LAN side.=E2=80=9D This should = be better explained.

I will clarify all those aspects. Initially = I=E2=80=99d a reference to the RFC7084 in the abstract, but it seems is = not accepted by the nits checker, so I=E2=80=99ve removed it. If someone = has any suggestion on that, I=E2=80=99m happy to follow it = =E2=80=A6

[DC] You could spell it out explicitly. = Something like =E2=80=9Cthis document augments/leverages on the = previously defined basic requirements for IPv6 customer edge = routers=E2=80=A6

N= its:

=C2=B7       = I= ntro: A number of acronyms should be expanded at first use: e.g. LAN, = WAN, HNCP, ISP.

=C2=B7       = I= ntro: :=E2=80=9CThis is a common situation in when = sufficient=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D remove =E2=80=9Cin=E2=80=9D.

=C2=B7       = A= ctually there is plenty of Nits. I suggest a spelling pass.

I will follow all those points as = well.

[DC] OK thanks.

BR
Daniele  =

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