Re: [RTG-DIR] [Mtgvenue] Rtgdir telechat review of draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-12

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 05 February 2018 19:06 UTC

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Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [Mtgvenue] Rtgdir telechat review of draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-12
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On 06/02/2018 04:40, Pete Resnick wrote:
> Hi Stewart,
> 
> Thanks for the review. Just on the things that Eliot hasn't already 
> covered
> 
> On 5 Feb 2018, at 5:04, Stewart Bryant wrote:
...>> Where we meet?
>>       We meet in different locations globally, in order to spread the
>>       difficulty and cost of travel among active participants, 
>> balancing
>>       travel time and expense across the regions in which IETF
>>       participants are based.
>>
>> SB> Given the support and encouragement of remote participants, there 
>> ought to
>> be a note about sharing unreasonable time zone difference pain across 
>> the
>> spectrum of remote participants.
> 
> I don't believe we currently do take that into account in location 
> selection (perhaps others can chime in), so this would be a new 
> requirement. We could bring this back to the WG to try and get consensus 
> around it, but that doesn't excite me. :-) I'll leave it to my fearless 
> AD to advise.

Having participated in the IETF while living in UTC+1, UTC, UTC-6
and UTC+12 at various times, all with or with daylight savings, I feel almost
uniquely qualified to comment on this.

Firstly, add jet lag for the in-person participants to the mix. Then
try to work out the optimisation function across all participants,
to simultaneously minimise jet lag effects and unsocial hours.

I think it's impossible. At the very least, it's a rat hole. So I
highly recommend leaving this issue aside.

    Brian