Re: [RTG-DIR] Referencing material behind a paywall

"Satya Mohanty (satyamoh)" <satyamoh@cisco.com> Wed, 19 December 2018 17:16 UTC

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From: "Satya Mohanty (satyamoh)" <satyamoh@cisco.com>
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, Heather Flanagan <rse@rfc-editor.org>, "adrian@olddog.co.uk" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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Thread-Topic: Referencing material behind a paywall
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 17:16:00 +0000
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Thank you Stephen, Carsten and Heather for your input.
Jorge will be publishing the revised version soon.

Best Regards,
--Satya

On 12/10/18, 2:14 PM, "Stephen Farrell" <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:

    
    
    On 10/12/2018 20:41, Heather Flanagan wrote:
    > Ekr offered an interesting proposal that would have this kind of
    > reference be treated in a fashion similar to IPR declarations.
    
    Not a bad idea. I'd also make it like the downref registry [1]
    though, since once we've got a normative reference in one RFC
    to e.g. some IEEE 802 thing, then it shouldn't need new process
    to have a 2nd RFC do the same.
    
    Cheers,
    S.
    
    [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/downref/