Re: [Rtg-dt-encap-considerations] draft-rtg-dt-encap-01 & TSV in Dallas

[Erik Nordmark <[e-mail]>]

On 3/9/15 11:05 PM, Black, David wrote:
> Erik,
>
>> On 3/9/15 6:00 PM, Black, David wrote:
>>>> Please take a read through.  It will be discussed in rtgwg.
>>> Bother - as a tsvwg chair, I won’t be in rtgwg :-(.
>>>
>> The design team might accept invitations to speak about it elsewhere ;-)
>>
>> In fact we are doing a short version at the NVO3 interim this Friday.
>>
>>      Erik
> I'll be on the phone for NVO3 on Friday.  I've cc:'d my tsvwg co-chair
> (Gorry) and the TSV ADs to consider which TSV invitation we should extend,
> as at least the following 5 sections of the draft are relevant to TSV:
>
>     7.  Entropy  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  7
>
>     9.  MTU and Fragmentation  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10
>
>     12. QoS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15
>     13. Congestion Considerations  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16
>     14. Header Protection  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18
>
> UDP usage concerns are lurking behind both the Entropy and Header Protection
> topics (e.g., 5-tuple hash behavior, UDP zero checksum for IPv6, respectively).
>
> My initial inclination is to invite a short TSV-oriented discussion into the
> Tuesday afternoon TSVWG session, and arrange for the GRE-in-UDP draft to be
> taken up in that same session.  The only RTG WG in that time slot is IDR,
> which should not pose a content conflict concern.  If Alia wants to observe
> in person (as she's the AD for IDR), we can bash both WG agendas so she can
> be in the right room at the right time for the important topics.

I don't have any conflicts in that slot. FWIW it has
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> That said, I'll give my honorable TSV ADs first shot at whether they'd like
> to pull this encap discussion into TSVAREA, probably the Monday session so
> that the TSV discussion comes before the RTG discussion.

The Monday TSVAREA conflicts with NVO3, which is an issue for myself 
and, I suspect, many of the other design team members.

   Erik
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> --David
>
>>> *From:*routing-discussion [mailto:[e-mail]]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Alia Atlas
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 8:43 PM
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>>> *Subject:* Fwd: [nvo3] Fwd: New Version Notification for
>>> draft-rtg-dt-encap-01.txt
>>>
>>> This is the internet-draft produced by the Data-Plane encapsulation
>>> design team
>>>
>>> that started at the last IETF.
>>>
>>> Please take a read through.  It will be discussed in rtgwg.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Alia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
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>>> Date:   Mon, 09 Mar 2015 15:51:45 -0700
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>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A new version of I-D, draft-rtg-dt-encap-01.txt
>>> has been successfully submitted by Erik Nordmark and posted to the
>>> IETF repository.
>>>
>>> Name:           draft-rtg-dt-encap
>>> Revision:       01
>>> Title:          Encapsulation Considerations
>>> Document date:  2015-03-09
>>> Group:          Individual Submission
>>> Pages:          37
>>> URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rtg-dt-encap-01.txt
>>> Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtg-dt-encap/
>>> Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rtg-dt-encap-01
>>> Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-rtg-dt-encap-01
>>>
>>> Abstract:
>>>     The IETF Routing Area director has chartered a design team to look at
>>>     common issues for the different data plane encapsulations being
>>>     discussed in the NVO3 and SFC working groups and also in the BIER
>>>     BoF, and also to look at the relationship between such encapsulations
>>>     in the case that they might be used at the same time.  The purpose of
>>>     this design team is to discover, discuss and document considerations
>>>     across the different encapsulations in the different WGs/BoFs so that
>>>     we can reduce the number of wheels that need to be reinvented in the
>>>     future.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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