Re: [Rtg-dt-encap-considerations] draft-rtg-dt-encap-01 & TSV in Dallas
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Subject: Re: [Rtg-dt-encap-considerations] draft-rtg-dt-encap-01 & TSV in Dallas
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Ok, we’ll find time for this in TSVWG on Tuesday. Thanks, --David From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF [mailto:spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 8:59 AM To: Erik Nordmark Cc: tsv-ads@tools.ietf.org; gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk; Black, David; rtg-dt-encap-considerations@ietf.org; Alia Atlas Subject: Re: draft-rtg-dt-encap-01 & TSV in Dallas Hi, Erik and David, I would be fine with David and Gorry bringing this to TSVWG. I agree that TSVAREA needs to see it if we can work that out, but that can take a back seat, especially if at least a couple of RTG design team members can come to TSVWG. If that happens, David, do you think sending a heads up to the TSVAREA list would be helpful? I suppose most folk who would flip out in TSVAREA would be in TSVWG anyway :-) Spencer On Mar 10, 2015 11:29 AM, "Erik Nordmark" <nordmark@sonic.net<mailto:nordmark@sonic.net>> wrote: > > On 3/9/15 11:05 PM, Black, David wrote: >> >> Erik, >> >>> On 3/9/15 6:00 PM, Black, David wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Please take a read through. It will be discussed in rtgwg. >>>> >>>> Bother - as a tsvwg chair, I won’t be in rtgwg :-(. >>>> >>> The design team might accept invitations to speak about it elsewhere ;-) >>> >>> In fact we are doing a short version at the NVO3 interim this Friday. >>> >>> Erik >> >> I'll be on the phone for NVO3 on Friday. I've cc:'d my tsvwg co-chair >> (Gorry) and the TSV ADs to consider which TSV invitation we should extend, >> as at least the following 5 sections of the draft are relevant to TSV: >> >> 7. Entropy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 >> >> 9. MTU and Fragmentation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 >> >> 12. QoS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 >> 13. Congestion Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16 >> 14. Header Protection . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18 >> >> UDP usage concerns are lurking behind both the Entropy and Header Protection >> topics (e.g., 5-tuple hash behavior, UDP zero checksum for IPv6, respectively). >> >> My initial inclination is to invite a short TSV-oriented discussion into the >> Tuesday afternoon TSVWG session, and arrange for the GRE-in-UDP draft to be >> taken up in that same session. The only RTG WG in that time slot is IDR, >> which should not pose a content conflict concern. If Alia wants to observe >> in person (as she's the AD for IDR), we can bash both WG agendas so she can >> be in the right room at the right time for the important topics. > > > I don't have any conflicts in that slot. FWIW it has > INT 6lo > OPS anima > OPS dnsop > RAI ecrit > RTG idr > SEC dots > TSV tsvwg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> That said, I'll give my honorable TSV ADs first shot at whether they'd like >> to pull this encap discussion into TSVAREA, probably the Monday session so >> that the TSV discussion comes before the RTG discussion. > > > The Monday TSVAREA conflicts with NVO3, which is an issue for myself and, I suspect, many of the other design team members. > > Erik > >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Thanks, >> --David >> >>>> *From:*routing-discussion [mailto:routing-discussion-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:routing-discussion-bounces@ietf.org>] >>>> *On Behalf Of *Alia Atlas >>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 8:43 PM >>>> *To:* routing-discussion@ietf.org<mailto:routing-discussion@ietf.org>; rtgwg@ietf.org<mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org> >>>> *Subject:* Fwd: [nvo3] Fwd: New Version Notification for >>>> draft-rtg-dt-encap-01.txt >>>> >>>> This is the internet-draft produced by the Data-Plane encapsulation >>>> design team >>>> >>>> that started at the last IETF. >>>> >>>> Please take a read through. It will be discussed in rtgwg. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Alia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>>> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-rtg-dt-encap-01.txt >>>> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 15:51:45 -0700 >>>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org> <mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>> >>>> To: Jon Hudson <jon.hudson@gmail.com<mailto:jon.hudson@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:jon.hudson@gmail.com<mailto:jon.hudson@gmail.com>>>, Tom Herbert <therbert@google.com<mailto:therbert@google.com> >>>> <mailto:therbert@google.com<mailto:therbert@google.com>>>, Lawrence Kreeger <kreeger@cisco.com<mailto:kreeger@cisco.com> >>>> <mailto:kreeger@cisco.com<mailto:kreeger@cisco.com>>>, Patricia Thaler <pthaler@broadcom.com<mailto:pthaler@broadcom.com> >>>> <mailto:pthaler@broadcom.com<mailto:pthaler@broadcom.com>>>, Patricia Thaler <pthaler@broadcom.com<mailto:pthaler@broadcom.com> >>>> <mailto:pthaler@broadcom.com<mailto:pthaler@broadcom.com>>>, Jon Hudson <jon.hudson@gmail.com<mailto:jon.hudson@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:jon.hudson@gmail.com<mailto:jon.hudson@gmail.com>>>, Albert Tian <albert.tian@ericsson.com<mailto:albert.tian@ericsson.com> >>>> <mailto:albert.tian@ericsson.com<mailto:albert.tian@ericsson.com>>>, Jesse Gross <jgross@vmware.com<mailto:jgross@vmware.com> >>>> <mailto:jgross@vmware.com<mailto:jgross@vmware.com>>>, Albert Tian <albert.tian@ericsson.com<mailto:albert.tian@ericsson.com> >>>> <mailto:albert.tian@ericsson.com<mailto:albert.tian@ericsson.com>>>, Pankaj Garg <pankajg@microsoft.com<mailto:pankajg@microsoft.com> >>>> <mailto:pankajg@microsoft.com<mailto:pankajg@microsoft.com>>>, Pankaj Garg <pankajg@microsoft.com<mailto:pankajg@microsoft.com> >>>> <mailto:pankajg@microsoft.com<mailto:pankajg@microsoft.com>>>, Tom Herbert <therbert@google.com<mailto:therbert@google.com> >>>> <mailto:therbert@google.com<mailto:therbert@google.com>>>, Jesse Gross <jgross@vmware.com<mailto:jgross@vmware.com> >>>> <mailto:jgross@vmware.com<mailto:jgross@vmware.com>>>, Erik Nordmark <nordmark@arista.com<mailto:nordmark@arista.com> >>>> <mailto:nordmark@arista.com<mailto:nordmark@arista.com>>>, Lawrence Kreeger <kreeger@cisco.com<mailto:kreeger@cisco.com> >>>> <mailto:kreeger@cisco.com<mailto:kreeger@cisco.com>>>, Erik Nordmark <nordmark@arista.com<mailto:nordmark@arista.com> >>>> <mailto:nordmark@arista.com<mailto:nordmark@arista.com>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A new version of I-D, draft-rtg-dt-encap-01.txt >>>> has been successfully submitted by Erik Nordmark and posted to the >>>> IETF repository. >>>> >>>> Name: draft-rtg-dt-encap >>>> Revision: 01 >>>> Title: Encapsulation Considerations >>>> Document date: 2015-03-09 >>>> Group: Individual Submission >>>> Pages: 37 >>>> URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rtg-dt-encap-01.txt >>>> Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtg-dt-encap/ >>>> Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rtg-dt-encap-01 >>>> Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-rtg-dt-encap-01 >>>> >>>> Abstract: >>>> The IETF Routing Area director has chartered a design team to look at >>>> common issues for the different data plane encapsulations being >>>> discussed in the NVO3 and SFC working groups and also in the BIER >>>> BoF, and also to look at the relationship between such encapsulations >>>> in the case that they might be used at the same time. The purpose of >>>> this design team is to discover, discuss and document considerations >>>> across the different encapsulations in the different WGs/BoFs so that >>>> we can reduce the number of wheels that need to be reinvented in the >>>> future. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >>>> submission >>>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org<http://tools.ietf.org> >>>> <http://tools.ietf.org>. >>>> >>>> The IETF Secretariat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nvo3 mailing list >>>> nvo3@ietf.org<mailto:nvo3@ietf.org> <mailto:nvo3@ietf.org<mailto:nvo3@ietf.org>> >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nvo3 >>>> >
- [Rtg-dt-encap-considerations] FYI: draft-rtg-dt-e… Erik Nordmark
- Re: [Rtg-dt-encap-considerations] draft-rtg-dt-en… Erik Nordmark
- Re: [Rtg-dt-encap-considerations] draft-rtg-dt-en… Alia Atlas
- Re: [Rtg-dt-encap-considerations] draft-rtg-dt-en… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [Rtg-dt-encap-considerations] draft-rtg-dt-en… Black, David