Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team

[Mach Chen <[e-mail]>]

Thanks Erik,

Yes, it works for me.

Best regards,
Mach

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 1:06 PM
> To: Mach Chen; Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar); Alia Atlas; Gregory Mirsky;
> [e-mail]
> Cc: Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); Ignas Bagdonas; Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak
> Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes
> Subject: Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> 
> On 12/16/15 5:24 PM, Mach Chen wrote:
> > Hi Erik and others,
> >
> > How about Office Online?
> Mach,
> 
> I just shared a test document with you using Office Online. Can you access it?
> I'd like to check how the simultaneous editing works, and also also whether one
> can add comments and resolve them. That is useful if we have different
> "owners" for different sections of the document.
> 
>     Erik
> 
> >
> > Best regards,
> > mach
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:[e-mail]]
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 12:29 AM
> >> To: Mach Chen; Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar); Alia Atlas; Gregory
> >> Mirsky; [e-mail]
> >> Cc: Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); Ignas Bagdonas; Santosh Pallagatti;
> >> Deepak Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes
> >> Subject: Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> >>
> >> On 12/16/15 1:16 AM, Mach Chen wrote:
> >>> Hi Nagendra,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the nice minutes!
> >>>
> >>> Regarding google docs, it does not work me, you may know that we
> >>> cannot access google docs in China L
> >>>
> >> Mach,
> >>
> >> is there some similar shared editing service which is accessible to you?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>      Erik
> >>
> >>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>> Mach
> >>>
> >>> *From:*Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar) [mailto:[e-mail]]
> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 16, 2015 12:03 AM
> >>> *To:* Alia Atlas; Gregory Mirsky; [e-mail]
> >>> *Cc:* Erik Nordmark; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); Ignas Bagdonas;
> >>> Mach Chen; Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes
> >>> *Subject:* Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> >>>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> Quick minutes captured below. Please feel free to make any changes.
> >>> We can spruce it up and post it in Wiki page.
> >>>
> >>> *Minutes*:
> >>>
> >>>    * The initial plan is to start with requirement document and perform
> >>>      Gap Analysis.
> >>>
> >>> * Requirement to be extracted from different existing documents
> >>> (NVO3, SFC, BIER) and consolidate by end of Jan 2016.
> >>>
> >>> * Document what type of issues are we focussing on to solve with
> >>> this Overlay OAM.
> >>>
> >>> * Should be transport independant to avoid re-inventing the wheel
> >>> for each encapsulation/underlays.
> >>>
> >>> * Fault managament is primary. Performance management will be good
> >>> to have.
> >>>
> >>> * ECMP path and related Entropy detection to be considered.
> >>>
> >>> * Wiki planned to track the discussion/progress. Can use google docs
> >>> to track the version of the progress as well. (What did we decided
> >>> on
> >>> this)
> >>>
> >>> * Re-use existing tool and extend them for overlay OAM.
> >>>
> >>> * Consider, what are the entities participating, uni/bi-directional
> >>> and name them.
> >>>
> >>> * Overlay OAM should be synthetic probe based or data-paket inline
> >>> based to be considered as part of discussion. Considering both is
> >>> important as it solves different scenarios.
> >>>
> >>> *Action Plan:*
> >>>
> >>> * Greg to setup google document and will share with everyone to use
> >>> to include requirements, scope (FM vs PM, Uni/Bi-directional etc).
> >>> List all the current requirement and relevant drafts.
> >>>
> >>> * Come up with requirement details by end of Jan 2016.
> >>>
> >>> * Identify the list of existing protocols for Gap Analysis.
> >>>
> >>> * Get a consensus on - if (any) existing tool could be extended to
> >>> satisfy the requirement or to come up with a new protocol.
> >>>
> >>> * Depending on the gap analysis - Propose extensions to existing
> >>> tool or propose a new protocol for Overlay OAM
> >>>
> >>> Next Meeting - First week of January 2016.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Nagendra
> >>>
> >>> *From: *Alia Atlas <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> >>> *Date: *Monday, December 14, 2015 at 6:26 PM
> >>> *To: *Gregory Mirsky <[e-mail]
> >>> <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> >>> *Cc: *Erik Nordmark <[e-mail]
> >>> <mailto:[e-mail]>>, "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)"
> >>> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, Ignas Bagdonas
> >>> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, Mach Chen
> >>> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, Santosh
> >>> Pallagatti <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>,
> >>> "Deepak Kumar (dekumar)" <[e-mail]
> >>> <mailto:[e-mail]>>, David
> >> Mozes
> >>> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, Nagendra
> >> Kumar
> >>> Nainar <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> >>> *Subject: *Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> >>>
> >>> Sounds good.  I've created a wiki page for the DT and requested that
> >>> the mailing list be created.
> >>>
> >>> The wiki page is at:
> >>>
> >>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgOoamDT
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Alia
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Gregory Mirsky
> >>> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Well, it works automagically, if you click on "Add this meeting
> >>>
> >>
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> >> e
> >>> a17> to your calendar. (Cannot add from mobile devices.)"
> >>>
> >>> Please note, will be using WebEx, not Lync (will cancel it).
> >>>
> >>>                  Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Greg
> >>>
> >>> *From:*Gregory Mirsky
> >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:57 PM
> >>> *To:* 'Alia Atlas'
> >>> *Cc:* Erik Nordmark; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); Ignas Bagdonas;
> >>> Mach Chen; Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes;
> >>> Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
> >>> *Subject:* RE: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> >>>
> >>> Hi Alia,
> >>>
> >>> many thanks. I'll update the invitation shortly.
> >>>
> >>>                  Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Greg
> >>>
> >>> *From:*Alia Atlas [mailto:[e-mail]]
> >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:14 PM
> >>> *To:* Gregory Mirsky
> >>> *Cc:* Erik Nordmark; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); Ignas Bagdonas;
> >>> Mach Chen; Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes;
> >>> Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> >>>
> >>> If it is helpful and preferred, here is a WebEx meeting.
> >>>
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> >>> From: *Routing Area* <[e-mail]
> >>> <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:12 PM
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> >>> Design
> >>> Team: Overlay OAM
> >>> To: [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >>>
> >>> You can forward this invitation to others.
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> Routing Area invites you to join this WebEx meeting.
> >>>
> >>> *Routing Design Team: Overlay OAM*
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Gregory Mirsky
> >>> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Hi Erik,
> >>>
> >>> I have it for tomorrow @ 07:00 PDT via Lync:
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Greg
> >>>
> >>> *From:*Erik Nordmark [mailto:[e-mail]
> >>> <mailto:[e-mail]>]
> >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:45 AM
> >>> *To:* Gregory Mirsky; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
> >>> *Cc:* Alia Atlas; Ignas Bagdonas; Mach Chen; Santosh Pallagatti;
> >>> Deepak Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes; Nagendra Kumar Nainar
> >>> (naikumar)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Greg,
> >>>
> >>> Have we nailed down this day/time?
> >>> Webex or something else?
> >>>
> >>>     Erik
> >>>
> >>> On 12/11/15 9:14 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote:
> >>>
> >>>      Hi Carlos,
> >>>
> >>>      thank you and Ignas for casting your ballots.
> >>>
> >>>      Tuesday @ 7:00 a.m. PDT still looks as best of all options though
> >>>      it now stands at 7:2.
> >>>
> >>>      Regards,
> >>>
> >>>      Greg
> >>>
> >>>      *From:*Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) [mailto:[e-mail]]
> >>>      *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 9:12 AM
> >>>      *To:* Gregory Mirsky
> >>>      *Cc:* Alia Atlas; Ignas Bagdonas; Erik Nordmark; Mach Chen;
> >>>      Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes;
> Nagendra
> >>>      Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
> >>>      *Subject:* Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> >>>      *Importance:* High
> >>>
> >>>      I just responded to the Doodle poll, Greg. Apologies for the
> >>>      delay, I had missed it.
> >>>
> >>>      - Carlos.
> >>>
> >>>          On Dec 11, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Gregory Mirsky
> >>>          <[e-mail]
> >>>          <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>          Hi Alia, et. al,
> >>>
> >>>          thank you for all who responded to the poll. I haven't heard
> >>>          from Ignas, Carlos, David and Santosh yet. Thus seven ballots
> >>>          were casted. We don't have clear winner (7-zip) and the best
> >>>          chance is Tuesday, December 15^th  @ 7:00 a.m. PDT. Should
> we
> >>>          set the meeting for Tuesday?
> >>>
> >>>          Regards,
> >>>
> >>>          Greg
> >>>
> >>>          *From:* Alia Atlas [mailto:[e-mail]]
> >>>          *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 11:42 AM
> >>>          *To:* Gregory Mirsky; Ignas Bagdonas; Erik Nordmark; Carlos
> >>>          Pignataro; Mach Chen; Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar
> >>>          (dekumar); David Mozes; Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
> >>>          *Subject:* Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> >>>
> >>>          I've only heard from about half of you.  I need to hear from
> >>>          everyone before making
> >>>
> >>>          any type of announcement.
> >>>
> >>>          I am going to push the kick-off meeting to next week.
> >>>
> >>>          Greg, could you set up a doodle poll for it avoiding Weds and
> >>>          Thurs mornings?
> >>>
> >>>          Sorry for this late email - I was out sick yesterday and not
> >>>          doing so great today.
> >>>
> >>>          Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>          Alia
> >>>
> >>>          On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Alia Atlas
> <[e-mail]
> >>>          <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>          During this past IETF, Greg presented in RTGWG about the
> >>>          opportunity to try for a generic extensible OAM mechanism
> that
> >>>          could be used by multiple of the data-plane encapsulations
> >>>
> >>>          currently being defined in the Routing Area.
> >>>
> >>>          As I believe you each know from either myself or Greg talking
> >>>          to you, I am forming a very short-lived design team to work on
> >>>          Overlay OAM. I believe that the time commitment is likely to
> >>>          be at least 4 hours a week between now and the end of April.
> >>>          I would like to confirm with each of you individually that you
> >>>          are able to make this commitment.
> >>>
> >>>          The design team charter is as follows:
> >>>
> >>>          "Design Team Charter: Overlay OAM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>          In the Routing Area, several WGs (e.g. NVO3, BIER, and SFC)
> are
> >>>          working on relatively new encapsulations to create overlays.
> These
> >>>          overlay or service encapsulations are transport-independent
> >>>          since they
> >>>          may be over different transports or at different layers in the
> >>>          networking stack. Each WG is starting to discuss what OAM
> and
> >>>          tools
> >>>          need to be developed (see draft-ietf-sfc-oam-framework-00,
> >>>          draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements-00, and individual drafts in
> >>>          NVO3).
> >>>          With increasing use of overlay and service layer tunnels,
> >>>          extensions
> >>>          to traceroute to allow visibility into multiple layers are being
> >>>          discussed (e.g.
> draft-nordmark-nvo3-transcending-traceroute-01).
> >>>
> >>>          There is an opportunity to propose protocols and methods to
> >>>          provide
> >>>          Overlay OAM in a sufficiently generic fashion that they can
> >>>          meet the
> >>>          requirements and be applied to at least BIER, NSH,
> VXLAN-GPE,
> >>>          GENEVE,
> >>>          and GUE.  A truly successful result would also be applicable
> >>>          to other
> >>>          technologies.
> >>>
> >>>          This Design Team is chartered to first produce a brief gap
> >>>          analysis
> >>>          and requirements document to focus its work on protocol
> >>>          extensions.
> >>>          This should be published by March 2016. With that basis, this
> >>>          Design
> >>>          Team is chartered to rapidly propose extensions to existing
> >>>          IETF OAM
> >>>          protocols such as those discussed in [RFC 7276] and new ones
> to
> >>>          support the requirements for OAM from NVO3, BIER, and SFC.
> >>>          The Design
> >>>          Team will produce an initial proposal by IETF 95.  It is
> >>>          expected that the
> >>>          initial proposal will provide guidance to additional people
> >>>          who will be
> >>>          interested in working on the details and gaps.
> >>>
> >>>          The Design Team will consider the preliminary OAM
> requirements
> >>>          from
> >>>          NVO3, BIER, and SFC. The Design Team should align with the
> LIME
> >>>          WG's work on common YANG models of OAM."
> >>>
> >>>          and the anticipated membership of the design team is:
> >>>
> >>>            * Greg Mirsky [e-mail]
> >>>              <mailto:[e-mail]> , DT Lead
> >>>            * Ignas Bagdonas [e-mail]
> >> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >>>            * Erik Nordmark [e-mail]
> >> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >>>            * Carlos Pignataro [e-mail]
> >>>              <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >>>            * Mach Chen [e-mail]
> >> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >>>            * Santosh Pallagatti [e-mail]
> >>>              <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >>>            * Deepak Kumar [e-mail]
> >> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >>>            * David Mozes [e-mail]
> >> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >>>            * Nagendra Kumar Nainar [e-mail]
> >>>              <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >>>
> >>>          I expect that there will be a publicly archived mailing list
> >>>          [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>,
> >>>
> >>>          which I will ask to be created. There will also be a design
> >>>          team page on the
> >>>
> >>>          wiki where you can collect work, thoughts, and comments -
> >>>          which would be
> >>>
> >>>          publicly available.
> >>>
> >>>          I would like to have a kickoff meeting - preferably this
> >>>          Friday at 10am EST
> >>>
> >>>          or early next week.
> >>>
> >>>          Please unicast me your thoughts on this design team and
> >>>          joining it.
> >>>
> >>>          Please suggest times in reply - and if need be, we can set up
> >>>          a doodle poll.
> >>>
> >>>          Thanks very much,
> >>>
> >>>          Alia
> >>>
> >