[Rtg-ooam-dt] FW: Design Team on Overlay OAM in Routing is Chartered

[Gregory Mirsky <[e-mail]>]

Happy holidays to All!
hope you're reading this thread (I'll re-send it with adding the DT alias).
My questions:

*         do you agree with Manish suggestion, i.e. add GRE to mandatory list of encapsulations the DT works on;

*         given our schedule, preparing review of GRE/UDP from OAM perspective for TSVWG LC may be done if "yes" is the answer to #1.

Your thoughts, comments - always welcome and greatly appreciated.

                Regards,
                                Greg

From: routing-discussion [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Black, David
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 7:36 AM
To: Manish Kumar (manishkr); Alia Atlas; [e-mail]
Cc: Brian Haberman; [e-mail]; [e-mail]; joel jaeggli; [e-mail]; Benoit Claise (bclaise); [e-mail]
Subject: RE: Design Team on Overlay OAM in Routing is Chartered

> I believe that GRE should be mandatory rather than best effort as well given its wide deployment for overlays

I have no opinion on that, but suggest that any OAM work on GRE should be done with GRE/UDP in mind.

Moreover, the GRE/UDP draft is likely to go to WG Last Call in TSVWG in the next month or so.  GRE/UDP is a simple encapsulation, as there is no (shim) header between the UDP and GRE headers, and none will be added (in contrast to the new encapsulations which have such headers):

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tsvwg-gre-in-udp-encap/

If there are any OAM concerns or recommendations that ought to be covered in the GRE/UDP draft, now would be a good time to bring them up - please sending comments to [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> .

The current -08 version of the GRE/UDP draft is not really ready for comprehensive review - the text on separating operator network usage from general Internet usage is "digging in the right place," but I expect that another revision is needed to get it into good shape (to their credit, the authors have the new text in my [WG chair] Inbox for review prior to posting).  Hence I'd suggest focusing on OAM topics until the next version (-09) of the GRE/UDP draft is posted.

Thanks,
--David

From: routing-discussion [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Manish Kumar (manishkr)
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 5:57 PM
To: Alia Atlas; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Design Team on Overlay OAM in Routing is Chartered

Hi Alia,

Good to see  this integrated (rather than fragmented!); there would be  more commonalities than difference of requirements. I believe that GRE should be mandatory rather than best effort as well given its wide deployment for overlays (perhaps the most widely deployed general purpose encap, keeping MPLS in a different league!).

Thanks,
Manish

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Date: Thursday, 17 December 2015 1:03 am
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Subject: Design Team on Overlay OAM in Routing is Chartered

Based on the presentation by Greg Mirsky and discussion in rtgwg and elsewhere, I have decided to charter a fast-moving Routing Area design team to work on Overlay OAM.

The charter is below:

In the Routing Area, several WGs (e.g. NVO3, BIER, and SFC) are working on relatively new encapsulations to create overlays. These overlay or service encapsulations are transport-independent since they may be over different transports or at different layers in the networking stack. Each WG is starting to discuss what OAM and tools need to be developed (see draft-ietf-sfc-oam-framework-00, draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements-00, and individual drafts in NVO3). With increasing use of overlay and service layer tunnels, extensions to traceroute to allow visibility into multiple layers are being discussed (e.g. draft-nordmark-nvo3-transcending-traceroute-01).

There is an opportunity to propose protocols and methods to provide Overlay OAM in a sufficiently generic fashion that they can meet the requirements and be applied to at least BIER, NSH, VXLAN-GPE, GENEVE, and GUE. A truly successful result would also be applicable to other technologies.

This Design Team is chartered to first produce a brief gap analysis and requirements document to focus its work on protocol extensions. This should be published by March 2016. With that basis, this Design Team is chartered to rapidly propose extensions to existing IETF OAM protocols such as those discussed in [RFC 7276] and new ones to support the requirements for OAM from NVO3, BIER, and SFC. The Design Team will produce an initial proposal by IETF 95. It is expected that the initial proposal will provide guidance to additional people who will be interested in working on the details and gaps.

The Design Team will consider the preliminary OAM requirements from NVO3, BIER, and SFC. The Design Team should align with the LIME WG's work on common YANG models of OAM.
The members of the design team are:
   Greg Mirsky (DT lead)
   Ignas Bagdonas
   Erik Nordmark
   Carlos Pignataro
   Mach Chen
   Santosh Pallagatti
   Deepak Kumarde
   David Mozes
   Nagendra Kumar Nainar

The design team has a private mailing list that will be publicly archived.
The mailing list is [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>.

The design team will also use a wiki to track some information.  Others are also welcome to comment and interact there.
The wiki is at:  http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgOoamDT

Regards,
Alia