Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team

[Erik Nordmark <[e-mail]>]

Mach and I have tested that we can do collaborative editing using a free 
on-link version of Microsoft office (you do the edits in the browser).

Can others access it:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=5D38B642A6E789F8!106&authkey=!AOnEHiCMDoVwPEw&ithint=file%2cdocx

    Erik

On 12/21/15 5:20 PM, ChenMach wrote:
> Hi Erik,
>
> Indeed, it's harder to use than Gloogle docs.
>
> I just updated the document, I hope this time it will be OK:-)
>
> Best regards,
> Mach
>
> > Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> > To: [e-mail]
> > CC: [e-mail]
> > From: [e-mail]
> > Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 07:17:49 -0800
> >
> >
> > On 12/20/15 6:13 PM, Mach Chen wrote:
> > > BTW, I used [e-mail] to invite "[e-mail]" 
> to modify the document. Maybe you could send another invite directly 
> to [e-mail] to try again. Sorry for the inconvenience!
> >
> > Done.
> >
> > I think you were editing a local copy of the document.
> > This seems to be a lot harder to use than Google docs.
> >
> > Erik
> >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Mach
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Mach Chen
> > >> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:08 AM
> > >> To: 'Erik Nordmark'
> > >> Subject: RE: [Rtg-ooam-dt] kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> > >>
> > >> Hi Erik,
> > >>
> > >> I added three lines and a comment. Can see check the file again? 
> I can see the
> > >> added text from my two terminals.
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> Mach
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 2:59 PM
> > >>> To: Mach Chen
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> > >>>
> > >>> On 12/17/15 9:48 PM, Mach Chen wrote:
> > >>>> Thanks Erik,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yes, it works for me.
> > >>> But I don't see any edits or comments ...
> > >>> So what is working?
> > >>>
> > >>> Erik
> > >>>
> > >>>> Best regards,
> > >>>> Mach
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 1:06 PM
> > >>>>> To: Mach Chen; Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar); Alia Atlas;
> > >>>>> Gregory Mirsky; [e-mail]
> > >>>>> Cc: Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); Ignas Bagdonas; Santosh
> > >>>>> Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 12/16/15 5:24 PM, Mach Chen wrote:
> > >>>>>> Hi Erik and others,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> How about Office Online?
> > >>>>> Mach,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I just shared a test document with you using Office Online. 
> Can you
> > >>>>> access
> > >>> it?
> > >>>>> I'd like to check how the simultaneous editing works, and also 
> also
> > >>>>> whether one can add comments and resolve them. That is useful 
> if we
> > >>>>> have different "owners" for different sections of the document.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Erik
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Best regards,
> > >>>>>> mach
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>> From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 12:29 AM
> > >>>>>>> To: Mach Chen; Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar); Alia Atlas;
> > >>>>>>> Gregory Mirsky; [e-mail]
> > >>>>>>> Cc: Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); Ignas Bagdonas; Santosh
> > >>>>>>> Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 12/16/15 1:16 AM, Mach Chen wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Hi Nagendra,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thanks for the nice minutes!
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Regarding google docs, it does not work me, you may know 
> that we
> > >>>>>>>> cannot access google docs in China L
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Mach,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> is there some similar shared editing service which is 
> accessible to you?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>> Erik
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Best regards,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Mach
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *From:*Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
> > >>>>>>>> [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 16, 2015 12:03 AM
> > >>>>>>>> *To:* Alia Atlas; Gregory Mirsky; [e-mail]
> > >>>>>>>> *Cc:* Erik Nordmark; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); Ignas
> > >>>>>>>> Bagdonas; Mach Chen; Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar 
> (dekumar);
> > >>>>>>>> David Mozes
> > >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hi All,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Quick minutes captured below. Please feel free to make any 
> changes.
> > >>>>>>>> We can spruce it up and post it in Wiki page.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *Minutes*:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> * The initial plan is to start with requirement document and
> > >>> perform
> > >>>>>>>> Gap Analysis.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> * Requirement to be extracted from different existing documents
> > >>>>>>>> (NVO3, SFC, BIER) and consolidate by end of Jan 2016.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> * Document what type of issues are we focussing on to solve 
> with
> > >>>>>>>> this Overlay OAM.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> * Should be transport independant to avoid re-inventing the
> > >>>>>>>> wheel for each encapsulation/underlays.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> * Fault managament is primary. Performance management will be
> > >>>>>>>> good to have.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> * ECMP path and related Entropy detection to be considered.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> * Wiki planned to track the discussion/progress. Can use google
> > >>>>>>>> docs to track the version of the progress as well. (What did we
> > >>>>>>>> decided on
> > >>>>>>>> this)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> * Re-use existing tool and extend them for overlay OAM.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> * Consider, what are the entities participating,
> > >>>>>>>> uni/bi-directional and name them.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> * Overlay OAM should be synthetic probe based or data-paket
> > >>>>>>>> inline based to be considered as part of discussion. 
> Considering
> > >>>>>>>> both is important as it solves different scenarios.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *Action Plan:*
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> * Greg to setup google document and will share with everyone to
> > >>>>>>>> use to include requirements, scope (FM vs PM, 
> Uni/Bi-directional etc).
> > >>>>>>>> List all the current requirement and relevant drafts.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> * Come up with requirement details by end of Jan 2016.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> * Identify the list of existing protocols for Gap Analysis.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> * Get a consensus on - if (any) existing tool could be extended
> > >>>>>>>> to satisfy the requirement or to come up with a new protocol.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> * Depending on the gap analysis - Propose extensions to 
> existing
> > >>>>>>>> tool or propose a new protocol for Overlay OAM
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Next Meeting - First week of January 2016.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Nagendra
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *From: *Alia Atlas <[e-mail]
> > >>>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> > >>>>>>>> *Date: *Monday, December 14, 2015 at 6:26 PM
> > >>>>>>>> *To: *Gregory Mirsky <[e-mail]
> > >>>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> > >>>>>>>> *Cc: *Erik Nordmark <[e-mail]
> > >>>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>>, "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)"
> > >>>>>>>> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, Ignas
> > >> Bagdonas
> > >>>>>>>> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, Mach Chen
> > >>>>>>>> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>,
> > >> Santosh
> > >>>>>>>> Pallagatti <[e-mail]
> > >>>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>>, "Deepak Kumar (dekumar)"
> > >>>>>>>> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, David
> > >>>>>>> Mozes
> > >>>>>>>> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, Nagendra
> > >>>>>>> Kumar
> > >>>>>>>> Nainar <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> > >>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Sounds good. I've created a wiki page for the DT and requested
> > >>>>>>>> that the mailing list be created.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The wiki page is at:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgOoamDT
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Alia
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Gregory Mirsky
> > >>>>>>>> <[e-mail]
> > >>> <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Well, it works automagically, if you click on "Add this meeting
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> <https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mb336e008e6f3456ecf57c9d87d87
> > >>>>>>> e
> > >>>>>>>> a17> to your calendar. (Cannot add from mobile devices.)"
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Please note, will be using WebEx, not Lync (will cancel it).
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Greg
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *From:*Gregory Mirsky
> > >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:57 PM
> > >>>>>>>> *To:* 'Alia Atlas'
> > >>>>>>>> *Cc:* Erik Nordmark; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); Ignas
> > >>>>>>>> Bagdonas; Mach Chen; Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar 
> (dekumar);
> > >>>>>>>> David Mozes; Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
> > >>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hi Alia,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> many thanks. I'll update the invitation shortly.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Greg
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *From:*Alia Atlas [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:14 PM
> > >>>>>>>> *To:* Gregory Mirsky
> > >>>>>>>> *Cc:* Erik Nordmark; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); Ignas
> > >>>>>>>> Bagdonas; Mach Chen; Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar 
> (dekumar);
> > >>>>>>>> David Mozes; Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> If it is helpful and preferred, here is a WebEx meeting.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > >>>>>>>> From: *Routing Area* <[e-mail]
> > >>>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> > >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:12 PM
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: (Forward to others) WebEx meeting invitation: Routing
> > >>>>>>>> Design
> > >>>>>>>> Team: Overlay OAM
> > >>>>>>>> To: [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> You can forward this invitation to others.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hello,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Routing Area invites you to join this WebEx meeting.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *Routing Design Team: Overlay OAM*
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Tuesday, December 15, 2015
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> 10:00 am | Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00) | 1
> > >>>>>>>> hr
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *Join WebEx
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> meeting*<https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m6a33d618883c0f7dd2dd
> > >>>>>>> 3
> > >>>>>>>> f5dd6104a4c>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Meeting number:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> 640 130 410
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Meeting password:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> rtg-ooam
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *Join by phone*
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *1-877-668-4493 <tel:[phone]>* Call-in toll free number
> > >>>>>>>> (US/Canada)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *1-650-479-3208 <tel:[phone]>* Call-in toll number
> > >>>>>>>> (US/Canada)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Access code: 640 130 410
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Toll-free calling restrictions
> > >>>>>>>> <http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Add this meeting
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> <https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mb336e008e6f3456ecf57c9d87d87
> > >>>>>>> e
> > >>>>>>>> a17> to your calendar. (Cannot add from mobile devices.)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Can't join the meeting? Contact support.
> > >>>>>>>> <https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/mc>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx service allows
> > >>>>>>>> audio and other information sent during the session to be
> > >>>>>>>> recorded, which may be discoverable in a legal matter. By
> > >>>>>>>> joining this session, you automatically consent to such
> > >>>>>>>> recordings. If you do not consent to being recorded, discuss
> > >>>>>>>> your concerns with the host or do not join the session.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Gregory Mirsky
> > >>>>>>>> <[e-mail]
> > >>> <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Hi Erik,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I have it for tomorrow @ 07:00 PDT via Lync:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> àJoin Lync Meeting
> > >>>>>>>> <https://meet.ericsson.com/gregory.mirsky/VL9PPL8L>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Join by phone
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> [phone] <tel:[phone]> (United States)
> > >>>>>>>> English (United States)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> [phone] <tel:[phone]> (United States)
> > >>>>>>>> English (United States)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> [phone] <tel:[phone]> (United States)
> > >>>>>>>> English (United States)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> 89925 <tel:89925> (United States)
> > >> English
> > >>>>>>>> (United States)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> _Find a local number <https://dialin.ericsson.com>_
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Conference ID: 79525896
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> At this time I don't have anything to present, thus we only may
> > >>>>>>>> need the dial-in bridge. That usually works.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Greg
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *From:*Erik Nordmark [mailto:[e-mail]
> > >>>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>]
> > >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:45 AM
> > >>>>>>>> *To:* Gregory Mirsky; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
> > >>>>>>>> *Cc:* Alia Atlas; Ignas Bagdonas; Mach Chen; Santosh 
> Pallagatti;
> > >>>>>>>> Deepak Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes; Nagendra Kumar Nainar
> > >>>>>>>> (naikumar)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Greg,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Have we nailed down this day/time?
> > >>>>>>>> Webex or something else?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Erik
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 12/11/15 9:14 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hi Carlos,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> thank you and Ignas for casting your ballots.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Tuesday @ 7:00 a.m. PDT still looks as best of all options
> > >> though
> > >>>>>>>> it now stands at 7:2.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Greg
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *From:*Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
> > >>> [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 9:12 AM
> > >>>>>>>> *To:* Gregory Mirsky
> > >>>>>>>> *Cc:* Alia Atlas; Ignas Bagdonas; Erik Nordmark; Mach Chen;
> > >>>>>>>> Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes;
> > >>>>> Nagendra
> > >>>>>>>> Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
> > >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> > >>>>>>>> *Importance:* High
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I just responded to the Doodle poll, Greg. Apologies for the
> > >>>>>>>> delay, I had missed it.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> - Carlos.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Gregory Mirsky
> > >>>>>>>> <[e-mail]
> > >>>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hi Alia, et. al,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> thank you for all who responded to the poll. I haven't
> > >> heard
> > >>>>>>>> from Ignas, Carlos, David and Santosh yet. Thus seven
> > >>> ballots
> > >>>>>>>> were casted. We don't have clear winner (7-zip) and
> > >>>>>>>> the
> > >>> best
> > >>>>>>>> chance is Tuesday, December 15^th @ 7:00 a.m. PDT.
> > >>>>>>>> Should
> > >>>>> we
> > >>>>>>>> set the meeting for Tuesday?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Greg
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *From:* Alia Atlas [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 11:42 AM
> > >>>>>>>> *To:* Gregory Mirsky; Ignas Bagdonas; Erik Nordmark;
> > >>> Carlos
> > >>>>>>>> Pignataro; Mach Chen; Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar
> > >>>>>>>> (dekumar); David Mozes; Nagendra Kumar Nainar
> > >>> (naikumar)
> > >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I've only heard from about half of you. I need to hear
> > >> from
> > >>>>>>>> everyone before making
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> any type of announcement.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I am going to push the kick-off meeting to next week.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Greg, could you set up a doodle poll for it avoiding
> > >>>>>>>> Weds
> > >>> and
> > >>>>>>>> Thurs mornings?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Sorry for this late email - I was out sick yesterday and not
> > >>>>>>>> doing so great today.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Alia
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Alia Atlas
> > >>>>> <[e-mail]
> > >>>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> During this past IETF, Greg presented in RTGWG about
> > >> the
> > >>>>>>>> opportunity to try for a generic extensible OAM
> > >>>>>>>> mechanism
> > >>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>> could be used by multiple of the data-plane
> > >>>>>>>> encapsulations
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> currently being defined in the Routing Area.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> As I believe you each know from either myself or Greg
> > >>> talking
> > >>>>>>>> to you, I am forming a very short-lived design team to
> > >>>>>>>> work
> > >>> on
> > >>>>>>>> Overlay OAM. I believe that the time commitment is
> > >>>>>>>> likely
> > >>> to
> > >>>>>>>> be at least 4 hours a week between now and the end of
> > >>> April.
> > >>>>>>>> I would like to confirm with each of you individually that
> > >> you
> > >>>>>>>> are able to make this commitment.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The design team charter is as follows:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> "Design Team Charter: Overlay OAM
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> In the Routing Area, several WGs (e.g. NVO3, BIER, and
> > >>>>>>>> SFC)
> > >>>>> are
> > >>>>>>>> working on relatively new encapsulations to create
> > >>> overlays.
> > >>>>> These
> > >>>>>>>> overlay or service encapsulations are
> > >>> transport-independent
> > >>>>>>>> since they
> > >>>>>>>> may be over different transports or at different
> > >>>>>>>> layers in
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>>>> networking stack. Each WG is starting to discuss what
> > >>>>>>>> OAM
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>> tools
> > >>>>>>>> need to be developed (see
> > >>> draft-ietf-sfc-oam-framework-00,
> > >>>>>>>> draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements-00, and individual
> > >>>>>>>> drafts
> > >>> in
> > >>>>>>>> NVO3).
> > >>>>>>>> With increasing use of overlay and service layer tunnels,
> > >>>>>>>> extensions
> > >>>>>>>> to traceroute to allow visibility into multiple layers
> > >>>>>>>> are
> > >>> being
> > >>>>>>>> discussed (e.g.
> > >>>>> draft-nordmark-nvo3-transcending-traceroute-01).
> > >>>>>>>> There is an opportunity to propose protocols and
> > >>>>>>>> methods
> > >>> to
> > >>>>>>>> provide
> > >>>>>>>> Overlay OAM in a sufficiently generic fashion that they
> > >> can
> > >>>>>>>> meet the
> > >>>>>>>> requirements and be applied to at least BIER, NSH,
> > >>>>> VXLAN-GPE,
> > >>>>>>>> GENEVE,
> > >>>>>>>> and GUE. A truly successful result would also be
> > >>> applicable
> > >>>>>>>> to other
> > >>>>>>>> technologies.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> This Design Team is chartered to first produce a brief gap
> > >>>>>>>> analysis
> > >>>>>>>> and requirements document to focus its work on protocol
> > >>>>>>>> extensions.
> > >>>>>>>> This should be published by March 2016. With that
> > >>>>>>>> basis,
> > >>> this
> > >>>>>>>> Design
> > >>>>>>>> Team is chartered to rapidly propose extensions to
> > >> existing
> > >>>>>>>> IETF OAM
> > >>>>>>>> protocols such as those discussed in [RFC 7276] and
> > >>>>>>>> new ones
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>> support the requirements for OAM from NVO3, BIER, and
> > >>> SFC.
> > >>>>>>>> The Design
> > >>>>>>>> Team will produce an initial proposal by IETF 95. It is
> > >>>>>>>> expected that the
> > >>>>>>>> initial proposal will provide guidance to additional people
> > >>>>>>>> who will be
> > >>>>>>>> interested in working on the details and gaps.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The Design Team will consider the preliminary OAM
> > >>>>> requirements
> > >>>>>>>> from
> > >>>>>>>> NVO3, BIER, and SFC. The Design Team should align with
> > >>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>> LIME
> > >>>>>>>> WG's work on common YANG models of OAM."
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> and the anticipated membership of the design team is:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> * Greg Mirsky [e-mail]
> > >>>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]> , DT Lead
> > >>>>>>>> * Ignas Bagdonas [e-mail]
> > >>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > >>>>>>>> * Erik Nordmark [e-mail]
> > >>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > >>>>>>>> * Carlos Pignataro [e-mail]
> > >>>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > >>>>>>>> * Mach Chen [e-mail]
> > >>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > >>>>>>>> * Santosh Pallagatti [e-mail]
> > >>>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > >>>>>>>> * Deepak Kumar [e-mail]
> > >>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > >>>>>>>> * David Mozes [e-mail]
> > >>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > >>>>>>>> * Nagendra Kumar Nainar [e-mail]
> > >>>>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I expect that there will be a publicly archived mailing list
> > >>>>>>>> [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> which I will ask to be created. There will also be a design
> > >>>>>>>> team page on the
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> wiki where you can collect work, thoughts, and comments
> > >> -
> > >>>>>>>> which would be
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> publicly available.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I would like to have a kickoff meeting - preferably this
> > >>>>>>>> Friday at 10am EST
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> or early next week.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Please unicast me your thoughts on this design team and
> > >>>>>>>> joining it.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Please suggest times in reply - and if need be, we can
> > >>>>>>>> set
> > >>> up
> > >>>>>>>> a doodle poll.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thanks very much,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Alia
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>>
> > >
> >