Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team

[Mach Chen <[e-mail]>]

Hi Erik and others,

How about Office Online?

Best regards,
mach

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 12:29 AM
> To: Mach Chen; Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar); Alia Atlas; Gregory Mirsky;
> [e-mail]
> Cc: Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); Ignas Bagdonas; Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak
> Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes
> Subject: Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> 
> On 12/16/15 1:16 AM, Mach Chen wrote:
> >
> > Hi Nagendra,
> >
> > Thanks for the nice minutes!
> >
> > Regarding google docs, it does not work me, you may know that we
> > cannot access google docs in China L
> >
> 
> Mach,
> 
> is there some similar shared editing service which is accessible to you?
> 
> Thanks,
>     Erik
> 
> 
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Mach
> >
> > *From:*Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar) [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 16, 2015 12:03 AM
> > *To:* Alia Atlas; Gregory Mirsky; [e-mail]
> > *Cc:* Erik Nordmark; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); Ignas Bagdonas; Mach
> > Chen; Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes
> > *Subject:* Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Quick minutes captured below. Please feel free to make any changes. We
> > can spruce it up and post it in Wiki page.
> >
> > *Minutes*:
> >
> >   * The initial plan is to start with requirement document and perform
> >     Gap Analysis.
> >
> > * Requirement to be extracted from different existing documents (NVO3,
> > SFC, BIER) and consolidate by end of Jan 2016.
> >
> > * Document what type of issues are we focussing on to solve with this
> > Overlay OAM.
> >
> > * Should be transport independant to avoid re-inventing the wheel for
> > each encapsulation/underlays.
> >
> > * Fault managament is primary. Performance management will be good to
> > have.
> >
> > * ECMP path and related Entropy detection to be considered.
> >
> > * Wiki planned to track the discussion/progress. Can use google docs
> > to track the version of the progress as well. (What did we decided on
> > this)
> >
> > * Re-use existing tool and extend them for overlay OAM.
> >
> > * Consider, what are the entities participating, uni/bi-directional
> > and name them.
> >
> > * Overlay OAM should be synthetic probe based or data-paket inline
> > based to be considered as part of discussion. Considering both is
> > important as it solves different scenarios.
> >
> > *Action Plan:*
> >
> > * Greg to setup google document and will share with everyone to use to
> > include requirements, scope (FM vs PM, Uni/Bi-directional etc). List
> > all the current requirement and relevant drafts.
> >
> > * Come up with requirement details by end of Jan 2016.
> >
> > * Identify the list of existing protocols for Gap Analysis.
> >
> > * Get a consensus on - if (any) existing tool could be extended to
> > satisfy the requirement or to come up with a new protocol.
> >
> > * Depending on the gap analysis - Propose extensions to existing tool
> > or propose a new protocol for Overlay OAM
> >
> > Next Meeting - First week of January 2016.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Nagendra
> >
> > *From: *Alia Atlas <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> > *Date: *Monday, December 14, 2015 at 6:26 PM
> > *To: *Gregory Mirsky <[e-mail]
> > <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> > *Cc: *Erik Nordmark <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>,
> > "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" <[e-mail]
> > <mailto:[e-mail]>>, Ignas Bagdonas <[e-mail]
> > <mailto:[e-mail]>>, Mach Chen <[e-mail]
> > <mailto:[e-mail]>>, Santosh Pallagatti
> > <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, "Deepak Kumar
> > (dekumar)" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, David
> Mozes
> > <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, Nagendra
> Kumar
> > Nainar <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> > *Subject: *Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> >
> > Sounds good.  I've created a wiki page for the DT and requested that
> > the mailing list be created.
> >
> > The wiki page is at:
> >
> > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgOoamDT
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Alia
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Gregory Mirsky
> > <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well, it works automagically, if you click on "Add this meeting
> >
> <https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mb336e008e6f3456ecf57c9d87d87e
> > a17> to your calendar. (Cannot add from mobile devices.)"
> >
> > Please note, will be using WebEx, not Lync (will cancel it).
> >
> >                 Regards,
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > *From:*Gregory Mirsky
> > *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:57 PM
> > *To:* 'Alia Atlas'
> > *Cc:* Erik Nordmark; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); Ignas Bagdonas; Mach
> > Chen; Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes;
> > Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
> > *Subject:* RE: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> >
> > Hi Alia,
> >
> > many thanks. I'll update the invitation shortly.
> >
> >                 Regards,
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > *From:*Alia Atlas [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:14 PM
> > *To:* Gregory Mirsky
> > *Cc:* Erik Nordmark; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); Ignas Bagdonas; Mach
> > Chen; Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes;
> > Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
> >
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> >
> > If it is helpful and preferred, here is a WebEx meeting.
> >
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> > Team: Overlay OAM
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> >
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> >
> > Hello,
> >
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> > *Routing Design Team: Overlay OAM*
> >
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> >
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> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Gregory Mirsky
> > <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Erik,
> >
> > I have it for tomorrow @ 07:00 PDT via Lync:
> >
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> > At this time I don't have anything to present, thus we only may need
> > the dial-in bridge. That usually works.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > *From:*Erik Nordmark [mailto:[e-mail]
> > <mailto:[e-mail]>]
> > *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:45 AM
> > *To:* Gregory Mirsky; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
> > *Cc:* Alia Atlas; Ignas Bagdonas; Mach Chen; Santosh Pallagatti;
> > Deepak Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes; Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
> >
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> >
> >
> > Greg,
> >
> > Have we nailed down this day/time?
> > Webex or something else?
> >
> >    Erik
> >
> > On 12/11/15 9:14 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote:
> >
> >     Hi Carlos,
> >
> >     thank you and Ignas for casting your ballots.
> >
> >     Tuesday @ 7:00 a.m. PDT still looks as best of all options though
> >     it now stands at 7:2.
> >
> >     Regards,
> >
> >     Greg
> >
> >     *From:*Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) [mailto:[e-mail]]
> >     *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 9:12 AM
> >     *To:* Gregory Mirsky
> >     *Cc:* Alia Atlas; Ignas Bagdonas; Erik Nordmark; Mach Chen;
> >     Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar (dekumar); David Mozes; Nagendra
> >     Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
> >     *Subject:* Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> >     *Importance:* High
> >
> >     I just responded to the Doodle poll, Greg. Apologies for the
> >     delay, I had missed it.
> >
> >     - Carlos.
> >
> >         On Dec 11, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Gregory Mirsky
> >         <[e-mail]
> >         <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >
> >         Hi Alia, et. al,
> >
> >         thank you for all who responded to the poll. I haven't heard
> >         from Ignas, Carlos, David and Santosh yet. Thus seven ballots
> >         were casted. We don't have clear winner (7-zip) and the best
> >         chance is Tuesday, December 15^th  @ 7:00 a.m. PDT. Should we
> >         set the meeting for Tuesday?
> >
> >         Regards,
> >
> >         Greg
> >
> >         *From:* Alia Atlas [mailto:[e-mail]]
> >         *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 11:42 AM
> >         *To:* Gregory Mirsky; Ignas Bagdonas; Erik Nordmark; Carlos
> >         Pignataro; Mach Chen; Santosh Pallagatti; Deepak Kumar
> >         (dekumar); David Mozes; Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
> >         *Subject:* Re: kicking off the Overlay OAM Design Team
> >
> >         I've only heard from about half of you.  I need to hear from
> >         everyone before making
> >
> >         any type of announcement.
> >
> >         I am going to push the kick-off meeting to next week.
> >
> >         Greg, could you set up a doodle poll for it avoiding Weds and
> >         Thurs mornings?
> >
> >         Sorry for this late email - I was out sick yesterday and not
> >         doing so great today.
> >
> >         Thanks,
> >
> >         Alia
> >
> >         On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Alia Atlas <[e-mail]
> >         <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >
> >         During this past IETF, Greg presented in RTGWG about the
> >         opportunity to try for a generic extensible OAM mechanism that
> >         could be used by multiple of the data-plane encapsulations
> >
> >         currently being defined in the Routing Area.
> >
> >         As I believe you each know from either myself or Greg talking
> >         to you, I am forming a very short-lived design team to work on
> >         Overlay OAM. I believe that the time commitment is likely to
> >         be at least 4 hours a week between now and the end of April.
> >         I would like to confirm with each of you individually that you
> >         are able to make this commitment.
> >
> >         The design team charter is as follows:
> >
> >         "Design Team Charter: Overlay OAM
> >
> >
> >         In the Routing Area, several WGs (e.g. NVO3, BIER, and SFC) are
> >         working on relatively new encapsulations to create overlays. These
> >         overlay or service encapsulations are transport-independent
> >         since they
> >         may be over different transports or at different layers in the
> >         networking stack. Each WG is starting to discuss what OAM and
> >         tools
> >         need to be developed (see draft-ietf-sfc-oam-framework-00,
> >         draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements-00, and individual drafts in
> >         NVO3).
> >         With increasing use of overlay and service layer tunnels,
> >         extensions
> >         to traceroute to allow visibility into multiple layers are being
> >         discussed (e.g. draft-nordmark-nvo3-transcending-traceroute-01).
> >
> >         There is an opportunity to propose protocols and methods to
> >         provide
> >         Overlay OAM in a sufficiently generic fashion that they can
> >         meet the
> >         requirements and be applied to at least BIER, NSH, VXLAN-GPE,
> >         GENEVE,
> >         and GUE.  A truly successful result would also be applicable
> >         to other
> >         technologies.
> >
> >         This Design Team is chartered to first produce a brief gap
> >         analysis
> >         and requirements document to focus its work on protocol
> >         extensions.
> >         This should be published by March 2016. With that basis, this
> >         Design
> >         Team is chartered to rapidly propose extensions to existing
> >         IETF OAM
> >         protocols such as those discussed in [RFC 7276] and new ones to
> >         support the requirements for OAM from NVO3, BIER, and SFC.
> >         The Design
> >         Team will produce an initial proposal by IETF 95.  It is
> >         expected that the
> >         initial proposal will provide guidance to additional people
> >         who will be
> >         interested in working on the details and gaps.
> >
> >         The Design Team will consider the preliminary OAM requirements
> >         from
> >         NVO3, BIER, and SFC. The Design Team should align with the LIME
> >         WG's work on common YANG models of OAM."
> >
> >         and the anticipated membership of the design team is:
> >
> >           * Greg Mirsky [e-mail]
> >             <mailto:[e-mail]> , DT Lead
> >           * Ignas Bagdonas [e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >           * Erik Nordmark [e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >           * Carlos Pignataro [e-mail]
> >             <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >           * Mach Chen [e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >           * Santosh Pallagatti [e-mail]
> >             <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >           * Deepak Kumar [e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >           * David Mozes [e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >           * Nagendra Kumar Nainar [e-mail]
> >             <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >
> >         I expect that there will be a publicly archived mailing list
> >         [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>,
> >
> >         which I will ask to be created. There will also be a design
> >         team page on the
> >
> >         wiki where you can collect work, thoughts, and comments -
> >         which would be
> >
> >         publicly available.
> >
> >         I would like to have a kickoff meeting - preferably this
> >         Friday at 10am EST
> >
> >         or early next week.
> >
> >         Please unicast me your thoughts on this design team and
> >         joining it.
> >
> >         Please suggest times in reply - and if need be, we can set up
> >         a doodle poll.
> >
> >         Thanks very much,
> >
> >         Alia
> >