Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling
Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> Wed, 13 May 2015 16:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling
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On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:35 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:51:41AM -0700, Anees Shaikh wrote: >> >> Regarding compatibility with existing models, I really don't agree at all >> that the existing RFC models should constrain what we do when trying to >> meet the requirements of people trying to build real systems that use YANG >> models. With all respect to the authors of those few models (which we >> leverage considerably in our models), YANG models are software code, and >> should be treated as such IMO. We don't say that software is "done" and >> can't change -- it evolves and improves over time, sometimes in >> non-backward-compatible ways. And we don't issue a final version of >> software without considerable experience using and testing it in production. >> > > Standards and software are not the same. The value of standards is > that they provide a stable basis. In other words, the value of > standards is that they do not change every other day. Yes, you can > rewrite standardized data models but the cost of doing so is high and > hence the benefit of rewriting something must be high. I do not see > this here - not even remotely. > +1 YANG already has a config-stmt to identify configuration nodes. Extra non-presence containers throughout the data model for "config" and "state" adds clutter and extra complexity. Replication of data nodes increases implementation costs. The association between "turn a config knob here" and "observe a state change there" is usually more complex than this draft supports. > /js Andy > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord
- [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Russ White
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Anees Shaikh
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Andy Bierman
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling aldrin ietf
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Anees Shaikh
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Christian Hopps
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Nadeau Thomas
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Andy Bierman
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling aldrin ietf
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Nadeau Thomas
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling aldrin ietf