Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling
Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Wed, 13 May 2015 10:35 UTC
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From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
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Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling
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On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:51:41AM -0700, Anees Shaikh wrote: > > Regarding compatibility with existing models, I really don't agree at all > that the existing RFC models should constrain what we do when trying to > meet the requirements of people trying to build real systems that use YANG > models. With all respect to the authors of those few models (which we > leverage considerably in our models), YANG models are software code, and > should be treated as such IMO. We don't say that software is "done" and > can't change -- it evolves and improves over time, sometimes in > non-backward-compatible ways. And we don't issue a final version of > software without considerable experience using and testing it in production. > Standards and software are not the same. The value of standards is that they provide a stable basis. In other words, the value of standards is that they do not change every other day. Yes, you can rewrite standardized data models but the cost of doing so is high and hence the benefit of rewriting something must be high. I do not see this here - not even remotely. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/>
- [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Russ White
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Anees Shaikh
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Andy Bierman
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling aldrin ietf
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Anees Shaikh
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Christian Hopps
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Nadeau Thomas
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Andy Bierman
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling aldrin ietf
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling Nadeau Thomas
- Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Operational State Modeling aldrin ietf