Re: Request for RTGWG Working Group adoption for draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa
Ahmed Bashandy <abashandy.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 18 July 2018 00:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: Request for RTGWG Working Group adoption for draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa
To: stephane.litkowski@orange.com, Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com>
Cc: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>, "rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org" <rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org>, "pfrpfr@gmail.com" <pfrpfr@gmail.com>, "draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa@ietf.org" <draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>, "daniel.voyer@bell.ca" <daniel.voyer@bell.ca>, DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN <bruno.decraene@orange.com>
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From: Ahmed Bashandy <abashandy.ietf@gmail.com>
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I think the discussion is quite fruiteful and we are making very good progress I will edit the draft to accommodate the suggested changes Many thanks for the input :):):) Ahmed On 7/17/18 12:29 AM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote: > > Agree > > *From:*Alexander Vainshtein [mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com] > *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 10:58 > *To:* LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS > *Cc:* Robert Raszuk; rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org; pfrpfr@gmail.com; > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; > daniel.voyer@bell.ca; DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN > *Subject:* Re: Request for RTGWG Working Group adoption for > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa > > Stephane, > > Lots of thanks for a promot response. > > It wiuld be nice to see this in the draft. > > Thumb typed by Sasha Vainshtein > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*stephane.litkowski@orange.com <stephane.litkowski@orange.com> > *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 10:46:56 AM > *To:* Alexander Vainshtein > *Cc:* Robert Raszuk; rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org; pfrpfr@gmail.com; > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; > daniel.voyer@bell.ca; DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN > *Subject:* RE: Request for RTGWG Working Group adoption for > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa > > Hi, > > > would it be correct to assume that using the post-convergence path in > TI-LFA resolves some of operational issues with LFA selection that are > mentioned in Section 3 of RFC 7916 because these issues presumably > have been taken by the network operator as part of its original > network engineering? E.g., using PE routers to protect against core > failures, or selecting links with low BW while links with high BW are > available? > > Exactly ! > > Brgds, > > Stephane > > *From:*Alexander Vainshtein [mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2018 10:01 > *To:* LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS > *Cc:* Robert Raszuk; rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org; pfrpfr@gmail.com; > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; > daniel.voyer@bell.ca; DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN > *Subject:* RE: Request for RTGWG Working Group adoption for > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa > > Stephane, > > Lots of thanks for a highly informative response. > > Leaving aside the potential to use repair paths theoretically provided > by SR but not available for IP FRR, would it be correct to assume that > using the post-convergence path in TI-LFA resolves some of operational > issues with LFA selection that are mentioned in Section 3 of RFC 7916 > because these issues presumably have been taken by the network > operator as part of its original network engineering? E.g., using PE > routers to protect against core failures, or selecting links with low > BW while links with high BW are available? > > Such a claim looks reasonable to me – especially since, as you have > written, “TILFA perfectly fits the criteria: lowest IGP metric” that > is one of the mandatory criteria in 7916. > > I admit that I did not understand that from just reading TI-LFA draft, > not in the least because RFC 7916 is neither mentioned nor referenced > there. > > Regards, > > Sasha > > Office: +972-39266302 > > Cell: +972-549266302 > > Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com > > *From:*stephane.litkowski@orange.com > [mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com] > *Sent:* Friday, July 13, 2018 3:54 PM > *To:* Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com> > *Cc:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>; rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org; > pfrpfr@gmail.com; > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; > daniel.voyer@bell.ca; DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN <bruno.decraene@orange.com> > *Subject:* RE: Request for RTGWG Working Group adoption for > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa > > RFC7916 was written at a time when TILFA did not exist. LFA and RLFA > provide a set of candidate paths where we need to pick one or more to > be installed. > > With segment routing, we bring the ability to use any alternate path > compared to LFA and RLFA which have a limited amount of candidate > paths. As a consequence, we are not exactly in the same backup path > selection logic as for LFA and RLFA. If we try to mimic RFC7916 logic > with SR, we need to consider the list of candidate paths to be all > alternate paths available through the network (so many many !) which > may provide some scaling concern especially if we try to involve path > attribute collection for the candidate paths. That’s why the logic of > TILFA is to focus on the postconvergence path. > > To answer your question, IMO, TILFA perfectly fits the criteria: > lowest IGP metric. > > We could think (as a theoretical exercice) of TILFA using other > criterias than the lowest IGP metric. Note that if we think of TILFA > in the context of flexalgo, the backup path may require to fit the > constraint defined by the flexalgo. > > *From:*Alexander Vainshtein [mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2018 15:16 > *To:* LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS > *Cc:* Robert Raszuk; rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org > <mailto:rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org>; pfrpfr@gmail.com > <mailto:pfrpfr@gmail.com>; > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa@ietf.org > <mailto:draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa@ietf.org>; > rtgwg@ietf.org <mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org>; daniel.voyer@bell.ca > <mailto:daniel.voyer@bell.ca>; DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN > *Subject:* RE: Request for RTGWG Working Group adoption for > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa > > Stephane, > > Lots of thanks for a prompt response. > > We seem to agree on at least one of my objections and the need to > remove the associated text from the draft. > > Regarding the other one: > > 1.Lots of thanks for pointing to RFC 7916 that describes problems with > LFA/RLFA selection. BTW, this RFC is not referenced by the TI-LFA draft > > 2.One of the mandatory criteria in RFC 7916 is lowest IGP metric used > to reach the destination: > > a.Is this equivalent to giving precedence to post-convergence paths? > > b.This is just one of mandatory criteria in RFC 7916 with some > recommended criteria as well. These criteria should be evaluated based > on their preferences. > > 3.One modification of the draft that I can think about could be: > > a.Provide a Normative reference to 7916. In particular, clarify that > all mandatory criteria listed in this RFC MUST be supported > > b.RECOMMEND giving highest preference to the criteria of lowest IGP > metric to the destination. > > Regards, > > Sasha > > Office: +972-39266302 > > Cell: +972-549266302 > > Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com > <mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com> > > *From:*stephane.litkowski@orange.com > <mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com> > [mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2018 3:48 PM > *To:* Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com > <mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com>>; DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN > <bruno.decraene@orange.com <mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com>> > *Cc:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net <mailto:robert@raszuk.net>>; > rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org>; pfrpfr@gmail.com > <mailto:pfrpfr@gmail.com>; > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa@ietf.org > <mailto:draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa@ietf.org>; > rtgwg@ietf.org <mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org>; daniel.voyer@bell.ca > <mailto:daniel.voyer@bell.ca> > *Subject:* RE: Request for RTGWG Working Group adoption for > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa > > Hi Sasha, > > > This flow will experience two path changes (pre-convergence--> FRR > and FRR --> post-convergence > > +1, I think that the current statement in the draft is more a > “marketing” one rather than a reality and IMO it may be worth removing it. > > As Stewart and you pointed, from an end-to-end point of view the path > may change (so the statement is wrong), a node upstream from the > failure may reroute the traffic out of the FRR path. And in anyway, > the label stack used will change (except in one case) even if the hop > by hop logical path does not. > > > Post-convergence path is taken into account in the operator’s panning > (e.g., by allocating sufficient resources for traffic flows on both > pre-convergence and post-convergence paths). > > This argument is worth to mention. First of all, the draft does not > say that TILFA is magic and prevents the requirement of additional > tuning. It says : “there is much less need for the operator > > to tune the decision among which protection path to choose.”. > > This statement is perfectly true. With LFA and rLFA, you have high > chance to pick a P-PE to protect a core link and depending on your > topology, a lot of tuning and policies is required (see RFC7916) to > ensure you get a good backup (or sometimes we prefer not having a backup). > > TILFA helps here as it can use a loopfree IGP metric optimized path > which requires less tuning. I do not say that there will never be a > requirement for tuning but it is unlikely. > > Brgds, > > Stephane > > *From:*rtgwg [mailto:rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Alexander > Vainshtein > *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2018 13:26 > *To:* DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN > *Cc:* Robert Raszuk; rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org > <mailto:rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org>; pfrpfr@gmail.com > <mailto:pfrpfr@gmail.com>; > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa@ietf.org > <mailto:draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa@ietf.org>; > rtgwg@ietf.org <mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org>; daniel.voyer@bell.ca > <mailto:daniel.voyer@bell.ca> > *Subject:* RE: Request for RTGWG Working Group adoption for > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa > > Bruno, > > It seems there is some misunderstanding, and I will try to clarify it. > > To the best of my understanding, the following text in Section 1 of > the draft presents the benefits of using post-convergence path for FRR: > > As the capacity of the post-convergence path is typically planned by > > the operator to support the post-convergence routing of the traffic > > for any expected failure, there is much less need for the operator > > to tune the decision among which protection path to choose. The > > protection path will automatically follow the natural backup path > > that would be used after local convergence. This also helps to > > reduce the amount of path changes and hence service transients: one > > transition (pre-convergence to post-convergence) instead of two > > (pre-convergence to FRR and then post-convergence). > > I see two different claims of benefits from using post-convergence > path in this test fragment > > 1.One path change and therefore one service transient instead of two > > 2.Post-convergence path is taken into account in the operator’s > panning (e.g., by allocating sufficient resources for traffic flows on > both pre-convergence and post-convergence paths). > > Speaking just for myself, I think that neither of these claims is > justified for traffic flows that do not originate at the PLR. > > E.g., consider Stewart’s example and the traffic flow from A to E > > 1.This flow will experience two path changes (pre-convergence--> FRR > and FRR --> post-convergence > > 2.The network operator will not take links C-F, F-G and G-D for > consideration in its planning of pre-convergence and post-convergence > paths for this flow. > > Did I miss something substantial? > > Regards, > > Sasha > > Office: +972-39266302 > > Cell: +972-549266302 > > Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com > <mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com> > > *From:*bruno.decraene@orange.com <mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com> > [mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2018 12:49 PM > *To:* Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com > <mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com>> > *Cc:* rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org>; > pfrpfr@gmail.com <mailto:pfrpfr@gmail.com>; > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa@ietf.org > <mailto:draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa@ietf.org>; > daniel.voyer@bell.ca <mailto:daniel.voyer@bell.ca>; rtgwg@ietf.org > <mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org>; Ahmed Bashandy <abashandy.ietf@gmail.com > <mailto:abashandy.ietf@gmail.com>>; Alexander Vainshtein > <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com > <mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com>>; Robert Raszuk > <robert@raszuk.net <mailto:robert@raszuk.net>>; Chris Bowers > <cbowers@juniper.net <mailto:cbowers@juniper.net>> > *Subject:* RE: Request for RTGWG Working Group adoption for > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa > > Stewart, > > Please see 1 comment inline [Bruno] > > Trimming the text to ease the focus on this point > > *From:*Stewart Bryant [mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2018 2:40 PM > > On 09/07/2018 20:53, Ahmed Bashandy wrote: > > […] > > b.*Selecting the post-convergence path *(inheritance from > draft-francois) does not provide for any benefits for traffic that > will not pass via the PLR */after convergence/*. > > i.The authors claim to have addressed this issue by stating that > “Protection applies to traffic which traverses the Point of Local > Repair (PLR). Traffic which does NOT traverse the PLR remains > unaffected.” > > > SB> It is not as simple as that, and I think that the draft needs to > provide greater clarity. > > I think there will be better examples, but consider > > 12 > +--------------+ > | | > A-----B-----C---//---D----E > 10 | | > F--------G > > Traffic injected at C will initially go C-D-E at cost 2, will be > repaired C-F-G-D-E at cost 4 and will remain on that path post > convergence. This congruence of path is what TI-LFA claims. > > However, a long standing concern about traffic starting further back > in the network needs to be more clearly addressed in the draft to > clearly demonstrate the scope of applicability. > > For traffic starting at A, before failure the path is A-B-C-D-E cost 13 > > TI-LFA will repair to make the path A-B-C-F-G-D-E cost 15 because > TI-LFA optimises based on local repairs computed at C. > > After repair the path will be A-B-D-E cost 14. > > [Bruno] The draft is about IP Fast ReRoute (FRR). > > FRR is a local reaction to failure, so by hypothesis, all nodes but > the PLR are not aware about the failure. This includes all upstream > nodes which do keep forwarding traffic through the same path, i.e. via > the PLR. > > The argument that the path would have been shorter if upstream node > were aware of the failure to reroute before (or that the PLR should > send the packet back in time) is not relevant. > > The only question which matter is: from the PLR to the destination, > which is the best path to use? > > I, and the draft, argue that the best path in IP routing, is the IGP > shortest path. Whichever type of metric you choose (e.g. bandwidth, > latency, cost…). Do you disagree on this? > > Now, eventually we can narrow down the discussion to the choice of > terms. We can discuss about the term “post-convergence paths from the > point of local repair »,which you don’t think to like. Although, the > term seems technically true to me, I would also be fine with changing > from “post-convergence path” to “optimal IGP shortest path” > > > So the draft needs to make it clear to the reader that TI-LFA only > provides benefit to traffic which traverses the PLR before and after > failure. > > [Bruno] No, that is not true. cf above. > > --Bruno > > Traffic which does not pass through the PLR after the failure will > need to be traffic engineered separately from traffic that passes > though the PLR in both cases. > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez > recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. 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