Re: Request for WG adoption - draft-ding-rtgwg-arp-yang-model
Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com> Wed, 01 August 2018 14:54 UTC
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Subject: Re: Request for WG adoption - draft-ding-rtgwg-arp-yang-model
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, tom petch <ietfa@btconnect.com>, RTGWG <rtgwg@ietf.org>
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From: Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com>
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Hi Tom, Jeff, Thanks for the comments. Yes, we will address these comments, and also the comments raised by the other reviews. I'll also do a pass through the document in an attempt to improve the prose. One slightly difficultly is that I have learned today that we are loosing the primary editor, but gaining a replacement. I'm also about to be on holiday for a few weeks, so the majority of my updates will probably need to be deferred until September. For clarification, are you saying that we should post an updated version before a final adoption call, or for these comments to be addressed immediately after it is adopted (if that is the outcome). Thanks, Rob On 31/07/2018 22:27, Jeff Tantsura wrote: > Tom, > > Many thanks for your comments! > Authors - I'd expect you to address them while the document is in adoption state. > > Tom - specifically to "flaky English" comment - your help to making the document better would be highly appreacited. > > Cheers, > Jeff > > On 7/31/18, 02:01, "tom petch" <ietfa@btconnect.com> wrote: > > <rant> > This I-D has some of the usual things wrong with it that need fixing at > some state and, as ever, I like to see the editors fix at least some of > them before adoption rather than leaving them until later, since they > then seem to linger, perhaps until WG Last Call or IETF Last Call (yes, > I am thinking of WG such as MPLS:-) > > There is a fundamental (to me) principle in engineering of get it right > first time, or at least as early as possible; later means more > expensive, more time consuming for everyone involved. I link this to > the discussion on the main IETF list of the difficulty of finding ADs > because so much time is involved in being an AD; yes, and part of that > is us giving them poor quality documents with defects that could have > been fixed even before adoption.. > </rant> > > This I-D > > - fails to mention whether or not it is NMDA compliant in the Abstract > and Introduction > > - fails to use the current definitions of terminology from RFC8342 > > - references the old version of RFC2119 key words > > - has no Note to the RFC Editor asking them to replace the YANG module > dates with date of publication. I suggest a Note asking them to replace > XXXX with the number assigned to this I-D at the start of the I-D rather > than asking them to replace 'draft-ding-rtgwg-arp-yang-model-02 ' which, > should this I-D be adopted, will be wrong > > - has no Copyright statement in the YANG module > > - lacks references for several imported modules. > > - starts Section 4 well with a good sentence but fails to mention most > imports > > - has serious formatting problems with the text in the YANG module with > lines being way too long for an RFC (it is probably not a coincidence > that other I-Ds have had the same problem - the right options in pyang > fix this AFAIK) > > - has no IANA Considerations; no IANA Considerations means that you are > not producing a YANG module no matter what it looks like. > > - Security Considerations are much better than usual but lack detail of > sensitive nodes > > - Tree diagrams has the right reference but then spoils it by including > text about the symbols > > - has out of date references > [I-D.ietf-netmod-rfc7223bis] > [I-D.ietf-netmod-rfc7277bis] > which belie the claimed date of June 28, 2018 for this I-D; 2018-01-27 > looks more like it:-) > > - has arp as a Informative Reference - Normative I think. > > I note that there is no IPV6 in the examples but that seems right since > ARP is IPv4. > > The English is flaky in places but I am fine with that; that can be > fixed once the text has been discussed and agreed - in fact there is no > point in producing perfect English if we are then going to discuss and > change it - whereas the points above can mostly be fixed before now. > > Tom Petch > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Tantsura" <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> > To: "RTGWG" <rtgwg@ietf.org> > Cc: "rtgwg-chairs" <rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org>; > <draft-ding-rtgwg-arp-yang-model@ietf.org> > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 2:04 AM > > > Dear RTGWG, > > > > > > > > The authors have requested the RTGWG to adopt > draft-ding-rtgwg-arp-yang-model as the working group document. > > > > The draft has been stable and provides all the additional arp pieces > that are not in RFC8344, it has been presented at IETF 102 and no > substantial comments have been received. > > > > > > > > Please indicate support or no-support by August 09, 2018 > > > > > > > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond > to this > > > > email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. > > > > The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. The document > will not > > > > advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each > > > > author and each individual that has contributed to the document. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jeff & Chris > >> _______________________________________________ > > rtgwg mailing list > > rtgwg@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > > > > > > > . >
- Re: Request for WG adoption - draft-ding-rtgwg-ar… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: Request for WG adoption - draft-ding-rtgwg-ar… Robert Wilton
- Request for WG adoption - draft-ding-rtgwg-arp-ya… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: Request for WG adoption - draft-ding-rtgwg-ar… Acee Lindem (acee)
- RE: Request for WG adoption - draft-ding-rtgwg-ar… wangzitao
- RE: Request for WG adoption - draft-ding-rtgwg-ar… Yingzhen Qu
- RE: Request for WG adoption - draft-ding-rtgwg-ar… dingxiaojian (A)
- Re: Request for WG adoption - draft-ding-rtgwg-ar… Reshad Rahman (rrahman)
- Re: Request for WG adoption - draft-ding-rtgwg-ar… Robert Wilton
- Re: Request for WG adoption - draft-ding-rtgwg-ar… tom petch
- Re: Request for WG adoption - draft-ding-rtgwg-ar… tom petch
- Re: Request for WG adoption - draft-ding-rtgwg-ar… Zhengfeng (Habby)
- Re: Request for WG adoption - draft-ding-rtgwg-ar… Jeff Tantsura