Re: VPN security vs SD-WAN security

"Acee Lindem (acee)" <> Wed, 25 July 2018 11:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: VPN security vs SD-WAN security
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From: rtgwg <>; on behalf of Stewart Bryant <>;
Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 5:55 AM
To: Robert Raszuk <>;
Cc: Routing WG <>;
Subject: Re: VPN security vs SD-WAN security

On 25/07/2018 10:40, Robert Raszuk wrote:
/* Adjusting the subject ... */

​Hello ​

​You have made the below comment in the other thread we are having: ​

Indeed, I would have expected this to be on a secure network of some sort either purely
private or some form of VPN. However, I am sure I read in your text that you were
considering using the Public Internet much in the way of SD-WAN.

​Would you mind as extensively as you can expand on the above statement ?

Specifically on what basis do you treat say L2VPN or L3VPN of naked unencrypted packets often traveling on the very same links as this "bad" Internet traffic to be even slightly more secure then IPSEC or DTLS encrypted SD-WAN carried data with endpoints being terminated in private systems ?


Robert, I think that you have to take it as read that an air traffic control SoF system is encrypting its packets. If it is not, then it is clearly not fit for purpose.

What concerns me is that an air traffic system is one of the most, if not the most, high profile targets in civil society. You get reminded of this each time you travel to IETF.

The thing about safety of flight traffic is that a sustained and effective DDoS attack has global impact in a way that few other such attacks have.

A VPN system ought to sustain resistance to such an attack better than the proposed system which treats the SoF traffic the same as regular traffic.

I guess you are making a case for your network slicing work 😉


- Stewart