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Re: Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Thu, 27 April 2017 14:17 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 07:17:02 -0700
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Subject: Re: Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
To: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>, "rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org" <rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain@ietf.org, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
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On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 7:15 AM, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/26/17 23:02, Alia Atlas wrote:
>>
>>> First, the YANG model is primarily for information in motion - either
>>> for configuration to the device
>>> or to read from the device.   It is much less likely to represent the
>>> data structure and storage in the device.
>>> I believe that this draft's context is strictly for information in
>>> motion.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks; I understand all that. I'm trying to focus on the final paragraph
>> of section 5, though, which appears to be an exception to what you say
>> above.
>
>
> I don't understand why - IMHO, that paragraph is simply saying  - this
> model passes keys around (in motion).  Of course, a system shouldn't store
> such keys unencrypted.  From what Acee says, this "motherhood and apple
> pie" additional advice was added due to secdir review.
>

I thought Adam's point was that storing keys encrypted with a key that's
adjacent to them was not useful.

-Ekr


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> Regards,
> Alia
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