RE: Spencer Dawkins' Yes on draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07: (with COMMENT)

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Subject: RE: Spencer Dawkins' Yes on draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07: (with COMMENT)
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Hi Spencer,

I've just found out that, for some reason, my email reply to your review had been stuck in my email outbox for 10 days and hence never reached you. Sorry for this and thanks for your patience. (and for still reading all other threads while waiting for you answer)

Thanks for your review and comments.

Please see inline [Bruno]

 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com]
 > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:21 PM
> 
 > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for
 > draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07: Yes
 > 
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 > 
 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 > COMMENT:
 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 > 
 > I really like that you've produced this document. It was clear to someone with
 > a minimal routing background. Thanks for that, too.
 > 
 > I would support either Alvaro's Discuss or Deborah's Discuss, and maybe both.

[Bruno] Ack. And thanks for your further clarification.
 
 > - I think the document would still be useful if it was Informational, as an
 > example of the kind of thing that could be done.
 > 
 > - If you really want stuff in the same network, or the same level/area, to use
 > the same timers, putting safe-ish default values in the document would be more
 > likely to make that happen.

[Bruno] In order to avoid duplications, this is discussed in Deborah's and Alvaro's email thread.
Quick summary:
- This document aims at specifying one standard SPF Back-off Delay algorithm so we believe STD track is the appropriate status.
- We have proposed Alvaro to add default timers values for the cases where this algorithm is enabled by default. (when it's specifically configured by the network operator, I think we can assume that the network operator would configure consistent value, as recommended in the document). Pending Alvaro's answer on this proposal.
 
 > I did notice one piece of text that wasn't clear to me. I found this confusing -
 > 
 >   In general, when the network is stable, there is a desire to compute
 >    a new Shortest Path First (SPF) as soon as a failure is detected in
 >    order to quickly route around the failure.  However, when the network
 >    is experiencing multiple temporally close failures over a short
 >    period of time, there is a conflicting desire to limit the frequency
 >    of SPF computations.  Indeed, this allows a reduction in control
 >    plane resources used by IGPs and all protocols/subsystems reacting on
 >    the attendant route change, such as ...
 > 
 > "this allows" seemed as likely to refer to the desire to limit, as anything
 > else. Perhaps
 > 
 >    ... limit the frequency
 >    of SPF computations, which would allow a reduction in control
 >    plane resources used by IGPs and all protocols/subsystems reacting on
 >    the attendant route change, such as ...
 > 
 > might be clearer.

[Bruno] ok. change applied in -08. (On the con side, the change creates a long sentence, but as of today I can't think of a better phrasing. Eventually the RFC editor will make a proposition)

Diff from -07 to -08: https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-08.txt
FYI, in the meantime, -09 has been uploaded yesterday: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-09

Thanks
--Bruno
 


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