Re: [Rucus] Actions coming out of informal RUCUS meeting at IETF 73

[Dan York <[e-mail]>]

Henning,

Sadly, if you go back through the list archives (  https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rucus 
  ), the only real action since IETF 73 in terms of Internet-Drafts  
was Hendrik's submission (that included some work from Hannes):

     http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-scholz-endpoint-security-00.txt

Outside of that, no other drafts have been submitted. There was a  
brief lunch meeting at IETF 75 that Hendrik summarized in an email to  
RUCUS on August 4, 2009.

Regards,
Dan

On Sep 2, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Henning Schulzrinne wrote:

> Digging through some old mail. Has any of this occurred?
>
> Henning
>
> On Dec 1, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Dan York wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> At the informal RUCUS meeting at IETF 73 (see minutes here: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rucus/current/msg00347.html 
>>  ), part of the discussion was that while the charter for the RUCUS  
>> EG pointed at RFC 5039, that RFC alone does not provide the whole  
>> picture of the issues around SPIT/spam.  It was also pointed out  
>> that while many of us may be aware of various different situations  
>> related to SPIT, much of that information has not been captured in  
>> any formal written documents but exists more in email threads or  
>> informal conversations.
>>
>> To that end, it was agreed that several people would write Internet- 
>> Drafts that document what is in fact going on out in actual  
>> deployments with regard to voice spam/SPIT and also spam in other  
>> areas.
>>
>> The list I have of who said they would submit a document is the  
>> following:
>>
>> - David Schwartz about email spam and lessons from there.
>> - David Schwartz about the XConnect / Kayote experience thus far  
>> with SPIT.
>> - Hannes Tschofenig about XMPP spam (and Hannes indicated he would  
>> contact Peter St. Andre)
>> - Hendrik Scholz about the recent German SPIT attack (Jan Seedorf  
>> offered to help)
>> - Juergen Quitteck/Jan Seedorf about some of the cases they have  
>> seen in their NEC incident database
>> - Jan Seedorf about the differences between DKIM and SIP Identity  
>> (Jan agreed but indicated he would need the assistance of others in  
>> the room)
>>
>> It was agreed that these documents do NOT have to be long. They  
>> could be just a page or two if that is all it takes to summarize  
>> the incident/event/situation.  The main point is to provide some  
>> written background information for our continued discussions about  
>> SPIT and what the IETF can or cannot do (which would then lead to  
>> the brief mechanism-focused Internet-Drafts that are discussed in  
>> the RUCUS charter).
>>
>> We also agreed that these documents would be submitted as Internet- 
>> Drafts because they then fit within the IETF workflow and are a  
>> standard format that others involved with the IETF (but not  
>> necessarily RUCUS) can find and understand.
>>
>> We did not set a deadline at the meeting, but I would suggest that  
>> if we could perhaps aim to have these brief documents put together  
>> by the end of this month (Dec 2008) or by, say, January 15th, that  
>> would help.  I realize with holidays that may be tough, but as soon  
>> as possible would be great.  I'd like to make the case to the ADs  
>> that RUCUS should have a formal time slot at IETF 74, but for that  
>> to occur we need to have some forward momentum.  If we could have  
>> these summary documents in by mid-January, that gives us some time  
>> to pull together some mechanism-related drafts before the March  
>> meeting in SF that could then warrant some real face-to-face  
>> discussion.
>>
>> Thanks to everyone who volunteered to write a document - and if  
>> there are others on this list who want to contribute a short  
>> document about experiences you have seen related to spam in general  
>> or specifically SPIT, please *do*!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
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