RE: [saad] About saad

"Michel Py" <michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us> Thu, 16 October 2003 01:06 UTC

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Marcelo / Geoff,

> marcelo bagnulo wrote:
> I don't think that the discussion should be focused on IPv6
> only a priori.

> Geoff Huston wrote:
> For me this area of consideration is somewhat orthogonal to
> the V4 / V6 considerations.

That's fine by me, but then we do have some work with the about text:

> We have specified an Internet that works, at the network
> layer, using relatively stable but not permanent identifiers
> for connection endpoints, which are allocated and
> administered using a topology dependent model, implying a
> service provider dependent model

For IPv4 this is untrue, as PI addresses are not allocated using a
topology dependent model and do not imply a server provider dependant
model.


> But we run into problems (the architecture doesn't quite
> fit when we try to address some scenarios encountered in
> real life: multihoming

Untrue for IPv4. The issue with IPv4 multihoming is a scalability issue:
the growth of the routing table (resulting in part from the announcement
of multihomed blocks) induces instability, which is not good. Possibly,
a protocol other than BGP4+ would have a lot less of a scalability
issue, so I don't consider this an architecture issue.


> assembling a local network without necessarily having to contact
> an ISP to obtain address space(e.g.,home net)

Not a problem with IPv4: we have RFC1918.


> Some proposed solutions are challenged in terms of: 
> providing referential integrity - how is referential 
> integrity maintained when identifiers are not globally 
> unique or are overloaded?

The answer to this is simple: either make the identifiers globally
unique, or manage that ambiguous identifiers never collide (or make the
collision risk extremely slow).


> choosing between different identifiers for an object
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^
> which has different "reachability" and the reachability
> is context-dependent

Shouldn't "identifiers" above be "locators"? I vaguely assume that an
object can have multiple locators but should have only one identifier.

Michel.


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