Re: [saag] "Privacy in IETF Protocols" at IETF83

Josh Howlett <Josh.Howlett@ja.net> Fri, 30 March 2012 08:26 UTC

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From: Josh Howlett <Josh.Howlett@ja.net>
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Hi Hannes,

I agree that this was a really great presentation. There were a couple of
things that Ian didn't mention that might be of general interest:

 * The proposed Data Protection Regulation will apply to non-EU entities
offering goods or services
to EU-based customers. Such entities are also required to provide an
equivalent level of protection to customers in other (non-EU)
jurisdictions.

 * Entities found in breach of the proposed Regulation can be fined up to
2% of annual global turnover

 * The US government has recently proposed a Consumer Privacy Bill of
Rights. One of my colleagues has compared this to the EU regulation; his
analysis is at 
http://webmedia.company.ja.net/edlabblogs/regulatory-developments/2012/03/1
4/us-consumer-privacy-bill-of-rights.

>The Internet Architecture Board (IAB) has spent some time thinking about
>how to consider privacy in the design of Internet protocols. We tried to
>take a structured approach to it.

"Privacy by design" is an excellent idea, but the existing directive and
proposed regulation are both sufficiently broad that any non-trivial
protocol will impose legal obligations on users; there are no technical
silver bullets and so we also need to develop smarter solutions at layer 9.

Josh.



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