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Re: [saag] NIST requests comments on using ISO/IEC 19790:2012 as the U.S. Federal Standard for cryptographic modules

Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> Mon, 17 August 2015 20:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [saag] NIST requests comments on using ISO/IEC 19790:2012 as the U.S. Federal Standard for cryptographic modules
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On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
> It is not clear to me that the use of ISO/IEC 19790 offers any improvement
> for the people that make crypto modules or the people that purchase crypto
> modules.  The specification being behind a paywall means that fewer people
> will know what it says.  Since the existing FIPS documents are freely
> available online, this seems to me to be a move in the wrong direction.

+1, but presumably these comments should be going to some NIST channel?

>
> Russ
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2015, at 12:21 PM, William Whyte wrote:
>
> In fairness, NIST explicitly call this out themselves at
> https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/08/12/2015-19743/government-use-of-standards-for-security-and-conformance-requirements-for-cryptographic-algorithm:
>
>  NIST is also interested in feedback on the impacts of a potential U.S.
> Government requirement for use and conformance using a standard with a
> fee-based model where organizations must purchase copies of the ISO/IEC
> 19790:2014.
>
> William
>
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15/08/15 12:24, David Lloyd-Jones wrote:
>> > What is it you have "heard," Stephen, that has given Phil this avalanche
>> > of
>> > "reason to object"?
>>
>> I already said that I have been told that the ISO spec is behind
>> a paywall, that is all. And now I've said it twice:-)
>>
>> Whether or not that's a deal for folks who've previously been
>> willing to subject themselves to FIPS140 fun is a reasonable
>> question. But it's also reasonable to point out that that is
>> a barrier to broad, open review.
>>
>> And of course, if you care about any of this, then telling
>> NIST what you think is the correct action.
>>
>> S.
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