Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 5322
Phillip Hallam-Baker <ietf@hallambaker.com> Thu, 15 April 2021 19:32 UTC
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 15:31:23 -0400
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Subject: Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 5322
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On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 11:53 AM Steve Allen <sla@ucolick.org> wrote: > On Thu 2021-04-15T09:14:05-0400 Phillip Hallam-Baker hath writ: > > Untrue, there is no reason that time needs to bear any relation to the > > rotation of Earth, Saturn or any other planet. The time of noon changes > by > > 15 minutes over the course of a year in Northern Europe. > > Ramadan Mubarak! Note that the reason that leap seconds were not > abandoned at the 2015 ITU-R WRC is that Is actually that nobody threatened to take away the toys from the astronomers. Big Tech is more than big enough to end UTC, all it takes is the willpower to move to a different scale. > 6 nations whose national > holidays are based on direct observation of celestial events objected. > If their holidays are based on observing celestial bodies, they should be observing said bodies and UTC is precisely irrelevant. > International legal issues are why leap seconds were created in 1970. > Yet more of your vague, unspecified 'reasons'. The real reason is a bunch of astronomers get a feeling of importance from coming down from the mountain and telling everyone to snap their heels at their direction. > This thread needs to leave here now and move to someplace like the > Leap Seconds Discussion List. > https://pairlist6.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/leapsecs Not a list where the decision makers are.
- [saag] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 5322 Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [saag] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 5322 Eliot Lear (elear)
- Re: [saag] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 5322 Tim Bray
- Re: [saag] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 5322 Nico Williams
- Re: [saag] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 5322 Nico Williams
- Re: [saag] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 5322 Paul Hoffman
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Nico Williams
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… John C Klensin
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Claudio Allocchio
- Re: [saag] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 5322 Randy Bush
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Ned Freed
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Michael Douglass
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Dave Crocker
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Stian Soiland-Reyes
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Alan DeKok
- Re: [saag] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 5322 Tony Finch
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… heather flanagan
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… tom petch
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Steve Allen
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… heather flanagan
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Stian Soiland-Reyes
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [saag] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 5322 Henry Story
- Re: [saag] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 5322 Peter Gutmann
- Re: [saag] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 5322 Salz, Rich
- Re: [saag] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 5322 Tony Finch
- Re: [saag] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 5322 Carsten Bormann
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Steve Allen
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Mark Baushke (ietf)
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Metapolymath Majordomo
- Re: [saag] [art] Date formats: RFC3339 vs. RFC 53… Yakov Shafranovich