Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance WG"

[Mike Prorock <[e-mail]>]

Email crossed - yes, thank you Rebecca - we are actively working on the PQC
Signature side of things with some great support from a variety of
parties.  Getting a defined list as this is an evolving space would be
great.

Mike Prorock
CTO, Founder
https://mesur.io/



On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 7:19 AM Rebecca Guthrie <rmguthr=
[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi Roman,
>
> Thank you for keeping track of the PQ work in IETF (and thanks to Panos
> for reviving this topic)! Is the PQ activity list something that others are
> able to update? There is a draft, JSON Encoding for PQ Signatures
> (draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signatures-00), and another newly-uploaded
> draft, draft-guthrie-ipsecme-ikev2-hybrid-auth, that can be added to the
> list.
>
> Also- though it is still being worked out which protocols are in the scope
> of the proposed PQ Agility WG charter, could it be helpful to establish a
> separate mail-list, as a place to begin these conversations?
>
> Rebecca
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saag <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Roman Danyliw
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 8:02 AM
> To: Kampanakis, Panos <[e-mail]>om>; [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance WG"
>
> Hi Panos!
>
> No updates.  While there is concrete charter text describing the mechanics
> of how such a hypothetical WG would operate, it doesn't describe what
> protocols would be in scope for the initial body of work.  Progress is
> blocked pending identification of such initial milestones (i.e., what
> protocols need a PQC re-design but don't have an existing WG to address it).
>
> Feedback continues to be welcome on this list (saag@ietf).  I've been
> trying to keep a running summary of the PQC work in the IETF at
> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftrac.ietf.org%2Ftrac%2Fsec%2Fwiki%2FPQCAgility&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crmguthr%40uwe.nsa.gov%7C654932872ddc4f843f7808da0cc51cae%7Cd61e9a6ffc164f848a3e6eeff33e136b%7C0%7C0%7C637836337995913584%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=AoUcD0vWmShCxinFoJRzqq8Mr5z9aIAycqchpMKiIj4%3D&amp;reserved=0
> .
>
> Regards,
> Roman
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kampanakis, Panos <[e-mail]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:08 PM
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Cc: Roman Danyliw <[e-mail]>rg>; Benjamin Kaduk <[e-mail]>
> > Subject: RE: [saag] Re: About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance WG"
> >
> > Hi Roman, Ben,
> >
> > Just resurrecting this thread from a few months back.
> >
> > Do you know if there will be any updates or progress on this new WG by
> > IETF- 113?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Panos
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: saag <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Sheehe, Charles J.
> > (GRC-
> > LCN0)
> > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 8:19 AM
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [saag] [EXTERNAL] Re: About the "Draft text
> > for a PQ Maintenance WG"
> >
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> >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I think the charter looks fine.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Chuck
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: saag <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Roman Danyliw
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 2:23 PM
> > To: Kampanakis, Panos <[e-mail]>om>; Salz, Rich
> > <rsalz=[e-mail]>rg>; Benjamin Kaduk <[e-mail]>du>;
> > [e-mail]
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ
> > Maintenance WG"
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> >
> >
> > We've heard this confusion on using the "maintenance" short hand to
> > characterize this potential body of work.  The intent was what Panos
> > described
> > - a short hand where the "maintenance" was on existing IETF protocol
> > to allow it to benefit from PQC mechanisms.
> >
> >
> >
> > The proposed, templated charter language more precisely captures the
> > intent -- "The [Planned WG Name] working group ([Planned WG Acronym])
> > is chartered as a WG to analyze, adapt or update IETF protocols,
> > registries, and associated code points with PQ cryptographic mechanisms."
> > (https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgit
> > hub.com%2Frdanyliw%2Fietf-pq-maintenance%2Fblob%2Fmain%2Fpqm-charter.m
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> > Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=qmZgx%2BJWwcrKtqD7fwcL2lK43UQa
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> > <
> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.
> > com%2Frdanyliw%2Fietf-pq-maintenance%2Fblob%2Fmain%2Fpqm-
> > charter.md&data=04%7C01%7CCharles.J.Sheehe%40nasa.gov%7Cd092f22f99e
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> > =0> ).  I've removed "PQ maintenance" from the header of the templated
> > charter.  It now reads "PQC Agility WG".  The term didn't appear in
> > the charter text itself.  However, to eliminate all possible c
> > onfusion I also the one instance of maintenance by s/protocol
> maintenance/protocol changes/.
> >
> >
> >
> > Roman
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Kampanakis, Panos <[e-mail]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 12:53 PM
> > To: Salz, Rich <rsalz=[e-mail]>rg>; Roman Danyliw
> > <[e-mail]>rg>; Benjamin Kaduk <[e-mail]>du>; [e-mail]
> > Subject: RE: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance WG"
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe maintenance is the wrong word, but the point is to have a WG for
> > orphaned (without a WG) protocols like CURDLE was for Curve25519/448.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: saag <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> > On
> > Behalf Of Salz, Rich
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 12:41 PM
> > To: Ludovic Perret <[e-mail]
> > <mailto:[e-mail]> >; Roman Danyliw
> > <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> >; Benjamin Kaduk <[e-mail]
> > <mailto:[e-mail]> >; [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > Cc: Kampanakis, Panos <kpanos=[e-mail]
> > <mailto:kpanos=[e-mail]> >
> > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ
> > Maintenance WG"
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > I find the concept of post-quantum *maintenance* very strange.
> >
> >
> >
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