Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08.txt

["Christopher Wood" <[e-mail]>]

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:34 PM Mirja Kuehlewind 
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >  >> Well, I think what you're hearing is that people think that it is badly aligned with the consensus of other parts of the IETF.
> > 
> >  What I’m hearing is that 2-3 people think this is not aligned but don’t actually say why exactly they think that
> 
> I wrote a fairly long note about it, I can understand that you don't 
> agree, but I don't really think "don't exactly say why they think that" 
> is a fair characterization.
> 
> 
> >  while there are a bunch of people supporting this document ( throughout the whole wg process).
> 
> Well, it's often the case that a WG has internal support for something, 
> but then when it gets brought to the wider IETF community, it turns out 
> that there isn't IETF-wide consensus. I'll leave it to the Chairs and 
> ADs to determine if that's the case here.

In my opinion, this seems to be the case. Based on this discussion and other reviews [1], I think it's clear that the document does not necessarily reflect consensus from the transport (and security) area(s) in general, and the QUIC WG in particular. Thus, I do not think it should be published at this time. 

Best,
Chris

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-01-secdir-early-wood-2018-12-27/