Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08.txt
Frode Kileng <frodek@tele.no> Wed, 06 November 2019 09:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08.txt
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Being involved in discussions in operator communities wrt. "implications of encryption" for years, the following statement from Martin summarizes why I also do not support publication of this draft: On 06/11/2019 05:09, Martin Thomson wrote: > There is an assumption throughout that the listed practices are privileged and therefore deserving of protection. No attempt is made to acknowledge that some of these practices are can be harmful in various ways. No recognition is given to the possibility that involving endpoints might offer alternative methods toward the same ends. To this list I wold also add a lack of qualification of a perceived usefulness and some quantification of how common the practices are. frodek
- [saag] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-enc… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Tom Herbert
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Martin Thomson
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Tom Herbert
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Christian Huitema
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Christian Huitema
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Tom Herbert
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Tom Herbert
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Martin Thomson
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Tom Herbert
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Joe Touch
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Christopher Wood
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… David Schinazi
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Martin Thomson
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Frode Kileng
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Colin Perkins
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… David Schinazi
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Martin Thomson
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Tom Herbert
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Colin Perkins
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… David Schinazi
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [saag] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [saag] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [saag] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport… Michael Richardson
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Tom Herbert
- Re: [saag] [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-t… Peter Gutmann