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Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardization?

Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org> Fri, 30 July 2021 20:40 UTC

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:40:13 +0200
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Subject: Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardization?
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On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 8:59 PM Volker Birk <vb@pep-project.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 08:17:21PM +0200, Harry Halpin wrote:
> > While the research community and industry was very quick to work on
> > privacy-enhanced contact tracing, I've seen very few people taking the
> much
> > more pressing issue of COVID-19 passports.
>
> Hi,
>
> is it really needed to support something evil like the end of all
> freedom?
>
> It is bad enough having to deal with this pandemic. But supporting the
> people trying to make the maximum profit out of it and at the same time
> enslaving all others is disgusting


Volker,

While I support your sentiments (in fact, I warned against the persistence
and abuse of COVID-19 related infrastructure as soon as the pandemic hit
[1]) and do note that the COVID-19 passports have already happened in most
countries, particularly in the EU. If they were built with open source and
open international standards, with actual privacy and security, then it
would be harm minimization.

So I'd like to keep this discussion to the technical level if possible, to
see if there is any technical interest. Wish we could be doing this as an
actual BarBOF in IETF 111!

  yours,
     harry

[1]
https://cointelegraph.com/news/this-is-our-last-chance-to-protect-our-privacy-amid-the-covid-19-crisis


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