Re: [saag] can an on-path attacker drop traffic?

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Sun, 04 October 2020 15:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: [saag] can an on-path attacker drop traffic?
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On 2020-10-04, at 17:17, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> wrote:
> 
> I like Christian's triage (minus the "men”).

+1.

Note that these are classes of capabilities.
It is worth talking about classes of attacks separately.

Grüße, Carsten