Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardization?
Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Fri, 30 July 2021 18:30 UTC
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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 11:29:49 -0700
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Subject: Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardization?
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To recap my comments on CFRG: There seems to be a lot of enthusiasm for this in various forums, and it's largely not well coordinated, with each group (the EU, VCI, etc.) doing their own thing, and producing work of various levels of quality. Before the IETF got involved, I'd want to see some evidence that the various players are interested in a common standard and want to do one here, lest we end up with XKCD 927. FWIW, I've spent a bunch of time looking at the various proposals. If people are interested they can find it at: https://educatedguesswork.org/tags/vaccine%20passports/ -Ekr On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 11:18 AM Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org> wrote: > Everyone [and apologies if you already got this message on CFRG or > SECDISPATCH], > > While the research community and industry was very quick to work on > privacy-enhanced contact tracing, I've seen very few people taking the much > more pressing issue of COVID-19 passports. > > If this IETF111 was in person, we could have done an informal BoF, but as > its' not, I'm sending out an email to gauge interest. > > I've earlier seen some very badly done academic work using W3C "Verified > Credentials" and W3C Decentralized Identifier (DID) standards [1]. However, > while a bunch of sketchy blockchain technology has not been adopted (so > far, although I believe IATA and WHO are still being heavily lobbied in > this direction), there has been the release of the EU "Green" Digital > Credentials that actually uses digital signatures. > > However, there's a number of problems: > > * No revocation in case of compromise > * Privacy issues, i.e. leaking metadata > * Limited key management (booster shots might require) > * No use of standards for cross-app interoperability > > Furthermore, there appears to be differences between countries, and some > countries do not use cryptography at all (the US). Therefore, as an > American in France who flew home ASAP to get vaccinated in the US, as a > consequence of this lack of interoperability I can't travel on trains or > eat at restaurants easily, despite being vaccinated. I imagine this will > become a larger problem. > > I have a report I'm willing to share, but I'd first like to know if > there's any interest in standardization on this front at the IETF despite > this topic being, I suspect, a bit of astretch of our remit. However, we > live in interesting times. > > I don't think the W3C (or the ITU, etc.) has the security expertise, and > while the crypto and security/privacy here is pretty simple, I think it > should happen somewhere. > > While I originally polled it by CFRG IRTF to see if there was any interest > whatsoever, Benjamin Kaduk pointed out SAAG and SECDISPATCH would be better > places to start. I'd like to know what others think. > > yours, > harry > > [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2012.00136 > _______________________________________________ > saag mailing list > saag@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag >
- [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardizati… Harry Halpin
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Volker Birk
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Harry Halpin
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Henry Story
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Dirk-Willem van Gulik
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Dirk-Willem van Gulik
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Dirk-Willem van Gulik
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Volker Birk
- Re: [saag] [Secdispatch] Interest COVID-19 'passp… Harry Halpin
- Re: [saag] [Secdispatch] Interest COVID-19 'passp… Dirk-Willem van Gulik
- Re: [saag] [Secdispatch] Interest COVID-19 'passp… Volker Birk
- Re: [saag] [Secdispatch] Interest COVID-19 'passp… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [saag] [Secdispatch] Interest COVID-19 'passp… Volker Birk
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Metapolymath Majordomo
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Eliot Lear
- Re: [saag] [Secdispatch] Interest COVID-19 'passp… Michael Richardson
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Michael Richardson
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… denis bider
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Henry Story
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Dirk-Willem van Gulik
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Henry Story
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Dirk-Willem van Gulik
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Henry Story
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Dirk-Willem van Gulik
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Thomas Hardjono
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Tim Bray
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Tim Bray
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Jon Callas
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] Interest COVID-19 'passport' standardi… Tim Bray