Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance WG"

Two items moving forward on this area that I am aware of are:
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-uni-qsckeys-00.html
and
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signatures-00.html

As I am working directly on the latter - I can note that we have been
receiving good engagement on the topic in the COSE WG, but due to the
current stage of NIST review we could see some slowdowns as a result.

Mike Prorock
CTO, Founder
https://mesur.io/

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 8:03 AM Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> wrote:

> Hi Panos!
>
> No updates.  While there is concrete charter text describing the mechanics
> of how such a hypothetical WG would operate, it doesn't describe what
> protocols would be in scope for the initial body of work.  Progress is
> blocked pending identification of such initial milestones (i.e., what
> protocols need a PQC re-design but don't have an existing WG to address it).
>
> Feedback continues to be welcome on this list (saag@ietf).  I've been
> trying to keep a running summary of the PQC work in the IETF at
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/sec/wiki/PQCAgility.
>
> Regards,
> Roman
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kampanakis, Panos <kpanos@amazon.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:08 PM
> > To: saag@ietf.org
> > Cc: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>rg>; Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
> > Subject: RE: [saag] Re: About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance WG"
> >
> > Hi Roman, Ben,
> >
> > Just resurrecting this thread from a few months back.
> >
> > Do you know if there will be any updates or progress on this new WG by
> IETF-
> > 113?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Panos
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: saag <saag-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-
> > LCN0)
> > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 8:19 AM
> > To: saag@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [saag] [EXTERNAL] Re: About the "Draft text for
> a PQ
> > Maintenance WG"
> >
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> > Hi
> >
> > I think the charter looks fine.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Chuck
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: saag <saag-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Roman Danyliw
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 2:23 PM
> > To: Kampanakis, Panos <kpanos@amazon.com>om>; Salz, Rich
> > <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>rg>; Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>du>;
> > saag@ietf.org
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance
> > WG"
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> >
> >
> > We've heard this confusion on using the "maintenance" short hand to
> > characterize this potential body of work.  The intent was what Panos
> described
> > - a short hand where the "maintenance" was on existing IETF protocol to
> allow
> > it to benefit from PQC mechanisms.
> >
> >
> >
> > The proposed, templated charter language more precisely captures the
> intent --
> > "The [Planned WG Name] working group ([Planned WG Acronym]) is chartered
> > as a WG to analyze, adapt or update IETF protocols, registries, and
> associated
> > code points with PQ cryptographic mechanisms."
> > (
> https://github.com/rdanyliw/ietf-pq-maintenance/blob/main/pqm-charter.md
> > <
> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.
> > com%2Frdanyliw%2Fietf-pq-maintenance%2Fblob%2Fmain%2Fpqm-
> > charter.md&data=04%7C01%7CCharles.J.Sheehe%40nasa.gov%7Cd092f22f99e
> > c48fe1a1a08d983764e40%7C7005d45845be48ae8140d43da96dd17b%7C0%7
> > C0%7C637685366837666194%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4w
> > LjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdat
> > a=mJG8R%2FPW8OcWxEdkDGyJ1P0DxvUhWd2XODuf55oYDSM%3D&reserved
> > =0> ).  I've removed "PQ maintenance" from the header of the templated
> > charter.  It now reads "PQC Agility WG".  The term didn't appear in the
> charter
> > text itself.  However, to eliminate all possible c  onfusion I also the
> one instance
> > of maintenance by s/protocol maintenance/protocol changes/.
> >
> >
> >
> > Roman
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Kampanakis, Panos <kpanos@amazon.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 12:53 PM
> > To: Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>rg>; Roman Danyliw
> > <rdd@cert.org>rg>; Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>du>; saag@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance WG"
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe maintenance is the wrong word, but the point is to have a WG for
> > orphaned (without a WG) protocols like CURDLE was for Curve25519/448.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: saag <saag-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:saag-bounces@ietf.org> > On
> > Behalf Of Salz, Rich
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 12:41 PM
> > To: Ludovic Perret <ludovic.perret@cryptonext-security.com
> > <mailto:ludovic.perret@cryptonext-security.com> >; Roman Danyliw
> > <rdd@cert.org <mailto:rdd@cert.org> >; Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu
> > <mailto:kaduk@mit.edu> >; saag@ietf.org <mailto:saag@ietf.org>
> > Cc: Kampanakis, Panos <kpanos=40amazon.com@dmarc.ietf.org
> > <mailto:kpanos=40amazon.com@dmarc.ietf.org> >
> > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance
> > WG"
> >
> >
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> > I find the concept of post-quantum *maintenance* very strange.
> >
> >
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