Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance WG"

["Kampanakis, Panos" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Roman, Ben,

Just resurrecting this thread from a few months back. 

Do you know if there will be any updates or progress on this new WG by IETF-113?

Thanks,
Panos


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Hi

I think the charter looks fine.

Thanks
Chuck

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From: saag <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Roman Danyliw
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Hi!



We've heard this confusion on using the "maintenance" short hand to characterize this potential body of work.  The intent was what Panos described - a short hand where the "maintenance" was on existing IETF protocol to allow it to benefit from PQC mechanisms.



The proposed, templated charter language more precisely captures the intent -- "The [Planned WG Name] working group ([Planned WG Acronym]) is chartered as a WG to analyze, adapt or update IETF protocols, registries, and associated code points with PQ cryptographic mechanisms." (https://github.com/rdanyliw/ietf-pq-maintenance/blob/main/pqm-charter.md <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Frdanyliw%2Fietf-pq-maintenance%2Fblob%2Fmain%2Fpqm-charter.md&data=04%7C01%7CCharles.J.Sheehe%40nasa.gov%7Cd092f22f99ec48fe1a1a08d983764e40%7C7005d45845be48ae8140d43da96dd17b%7C0%7C0%7C637685366837666194%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=mJG8R%2FPW8OcWxEdkDGyJ1P0DxvUhWd2XODuf55oYDSM%3D&reserved=0> ).  I've removed "PQ maintenance" from the header of the templated charter.  It now reads "PQC Agility WG".  The term didn't appear in the charter text itself.  However, to eliminate all possible c  onfusion I also the one instance of maintenance by s/protocol maintenance/protocol changes/.



Roman



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Maybe maintenance is the wrong word, but the point is to have a WG for orphaned (without a WG) protocols like CURDLE was for Curve25519/448.



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I find the concept of post-quantum *maintenance* very strange.





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