Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: <draft-ietf-taps-transport-security-09.txt> (A Survey of Transport Security Protocols) to Informational RFC

Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Tue, 08 October 2019 22:04 UTC

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Subject: Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: <draft-ietf-taps-transport-security-09.txt> (A Survey of Transport Security Protocols) to Informational RFC
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As the draft mentions:

   The use of transport layer authentication and encryption exposes a
   tussle between middlebox vendors, operators, applications developers
   and users

Much of the draft content goes on explaining the middlebox vendors' view
of that tussle. As such, the draft is not terribly helpful...

On 10/6/2019 9:12 AM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
> I think several folks have taken an early look at this one; now would be a
> great time to take a second look.
>
> -Ben
>
> On Fri, Oct 04, 2019 at 06:55:56AM -0700, The IESG wrote:
>> The IESG has received a request from the Transport Services WG (taps) to
>> consider the following document: - 'A Survey of Transport Security Protocols'
>>   <draft-ietf-taps-transport-security-09.txt> as Informational RFC
>>
>> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final
>> comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
>> ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2019-10-18. Exceptionally, comments may be
>> sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of
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>> Abstract
>>
>>
>>    This document provides a survey of commonly used or notable network
>>    security protocols, with a focus on how they interact and integrate
>>    with applications and transport protocols.  Its goal is to supplement
>>    efforts to define and catalog transport services by describing the
>>    interfaces required to add security protocols.  This survey is not
>>    limited to protocols developed within the scope or context of the
>>    IETF, and those included represent a superset of features a Transport
>>    Services system may need to support.  Moreover, this document defines
>>    a minimal set of security features that a secure transport system
>>    should provide.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The file can be obtained via
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-taps-transport-security/
>>
>> IESG discussion can be tracked via
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-taps-transport-security/ballot/
>>
>>
>> No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.
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