Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1351C14F694; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 11:23:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=psg.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PIkRCv6qfwNe; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 11:23:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:3807::18]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FC39C14F6A7; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 11:23:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=psg.com; s=rgnet-mail; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc: To:From:Message-ID:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=x87pQo9Uh7QsjhdNOhFLXgNyBL8bYmK6QUnqZSxu7vc=; b=klGLInv+olLhwxQSyh+G0WYMSy roauk49jIKP/vGqJiPwhqAjh4uCE4eJUR2s4sKZ48iCPYuiYnszKIKWVu+YeVcuKJH7R7d5rEKPLv 6om4sKItoziLGauezv7H/1Z03cW7Up0J14by+vRiBlrdwhygkwlMVOsr9Uk6U1Nv9Kxp5B8B/ocpK BhouiTbiZj+n3u0BuUZQKg+JjvtkZ7JYcSXLeCWI047IB0pqv2iyqGRON3BsQYtburWY1M4Vnavni zzRAdVn8K1t0l37JaZIy709zlbKERY2TLetvGfXiXcLC1e0wsgROfkyEmFF8Mg8rdfmcKwPlT4pkP KThEd+DA==; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1tMXjW-001R9u-H9; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 19:23:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 11:23:22 -0800 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <5B7149CA-9855-4BC3-82B2-6EE0FBC8DEF0@tzi.org> References: <5B7149CA-9855-4BC3-82B2-6EE0FBC8DEF0@tzi.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/27.2 Mule/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID-Hash: ZYUTD3HKCSO3CQ27J5DI6FSXTX65TIKE X-Message-ID-Hash: ZYUTD3HKCSO3CQ27J5DI6FSXTX65TIKE X-MailFrom: randy@psg.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-saag.ietf.org-0; header-match-saag.ietf.org-1; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, IETF SAAG X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc6 Precedence: list Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5Bsaag=5D_Re=3A_=5Brfc-i=5D_Re=3A_Re=3A_RFCs_vs_Standards?= List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > Or if somebody suggests doing half of the work on slack, point to: > https://specificsuggestions.com/share/EN/4299.html of course that does not apply to github issues vs mailing list discussion when we want to sabatoge, we just have a bof with chair(s) of the desired persuasion and stuff the room. randy