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Re: [saag] TSVWG WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08, closes 23 October 2019

Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> Tue, 05 November 2019 01:44 UTC

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From: Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz>
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Thread-Topic: TSVWG WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08, closes 23 October 2019
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I actually think it's a pretty good summary, and delivers exactly what's
promised in the title.  OTOH I can also see that it's going to get bikeshedded
to death, and will probably never be editable into a form where people won't
complain about it no matter how many changes are made.  Alternatively, it'll
end up watered down to a point where no-one can complain any more but it won't
say anything terribly useful by then.

Perhaps it could be published as is with a comment that it represents the
opinions of the authors?  Although given that it's Informational and not
Standards-track or a BCP, that should be a given anyway.

Peter.

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