Re: [Sat] Starting SATP Terminology draft

Venkatraman Ramakrishna <vramakr2@in.ibm.com> Tue, 21 March 2023 07:55 UTC

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From: Venkatraman Ramakrishna <vramakr2@in.ibm.com>
To: Tecnico Lisboa <rafael.belchior@tecnico.ulisboa.pt>, Thomas Hardjono <hardjono@mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Sat] Starting SATP Terminology draft
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Or should we avoid using "Asset" and instead explicitly use "Digital Asset" (or just DA) everywhere in the SATP context? There may be places where we will need to refer to physical assets (like in a supply chain use case) and so we will need to avoid ambiguity. (Alternatively, "Asset" could default to "Digital Asset", and "Physical Asset" must be stated explicitly wherever required.)

Data transfer/sharing, asset exchange, and asset transfer are described in the architecture draft. Thomas mentioned he hadn't copied terminology from that doc into the markdown list. I can submit a PR sometime soon with edits and additions.

Rama

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From: Tecnico Lisboa <rafael.belchior@tecnico.ulisboa.pt> 
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To: Thomas Hardjono <hardjono@mit.edu>
Cc: Alexandru Chiriac <alexandru.chiriac@quant.network>; sat@ietf.org; Venkatraman Ramakrishna <vramakr2@in.ibm.com>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Sat] Starting SATP Terminology draft

Hello Thomas and Alex,
Thank you for putting the document together.
It might be useful to say we use the term “Asset” interchangeably with “Digital Asset”. The concepts of data transfer, asset transfer, and asset exchange could also be useful to add. 
What do you think?

Rafael 

> On 18 Mar 2023, at 14:30, Thomas Hardjono <hardjono@mit.edu> wrote:
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> Folks,
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> In preparation for the SATP WG meeting at IETF116 in Yokohama, Alex has created a new MarkDown file in our GitHub to capture our Terminology (thank you Alex).
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> https://github.com/CxSci/IETF-SATP/blob/main/vocabulary/vocabulary.md 
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> I have copied some relevant definitions from the NIST IR8202 blockchain document, and also from the global FATF Recommendations #16 document (latest version is Feb 2023).
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> (I have not copied over all the terminology from the Architecture draft or the SATP-Core draft).
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> Please feel free to comment/fix or suggest alternatives on the mail-list.
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