Re: [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope
Jean-Michel Combes <jeanmichel.combes@gmail.com> Wed, 08 June 2011 17:28 UTC
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From: Jean-Michel Combes <jeanmichel.combes@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope
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Hi, At first sorry for the delayed reply. Please, see my comments inline. 2011/5/30 Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>: > Joel, > >> As I have said, i am happy to make most of the changes. >> However, there are two changes requested by Ralph that change the scope in >> a way that I do not feel I (or you) can call for. >> I have been awaiting the Chair's review on these two substantive issues: >> >> 1) The issue of analysis of the effect of SAVI, and what threats remain >> after SAVI was requested by Stephen. I pointed out that this is not in >> scope for the document, and he said that he wanted it anyway. I punted to >> you and the chairs. I believe it would take WG agreement, AD agreement on >> scope change, and chair direction, before I can make that change. > > My opinion is that this document should NOT do that analysis or attempt to > find out precisely what residual threats are after some set of SAVI tools > have been implemented in a network. I think we touched upon it in the call, > but I can talk to Stephen about it. I agree with Jari: (1) IMHO, this would be like to put the cart before the horse :) (2) to doing such an analysis you need a clear specification of a SAVI mechanism which is outside the scope of this document. BTW, during my review of FCFS SAVI for the ID Write-Up document, text about residual threats was added inside the Security Considerations section. I will carefully check that the DHCP SAVI, SEND SAVI and the Mix Scenario documents take into account this issue before requesting AD/IESG review. Best regards. JMC. > >> I am not sure whether Ralph's request for "more details" is arelaly a >> discuss, or a suggestion to ask him for and consider more text. I am >> certainly willing to talk with him about it. But I would need to temper any >> such evaluation with the fact that folks asked us to CUT substantial >> portions of text in the last review. > > OK. Its certainly bit of a borderline as a discuss. He wants more precise > description and in some cases more text. From my read many of the points > that he makes seemed reasonable. If I was the author I would go through his > specific requests and see which ones made sense (while remembering the > feedback you've gotten from other folks). > > You do not have to implement verbatim everything that the IESG reviewers ask > for. Please fight back if the requests do not make sense. I thought I was > asking for that, actually. > > Jari > > _______________________________________________ > savi mailing list > savi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/savi >
- [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope Jari Arkko
- Re: [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope Jari Arkko
- Re: [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope Jean-Michel Combes
- Re: [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope Jean-Michel Combes
- Re: [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope Stephen Farrell
- Re: [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope Jean-Michel Combes
- Re: [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope Stephen Farrell
- Re: [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope Jean-Michel Combes
- Re: [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope Stephen Farrell
- Re: [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope Stephen Farrell
- Re: [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope Jean-Michel Combes
- Re: [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope Stephen Farrell
- Re: [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope Jean-Michel Combes
- Re: [savi] Status of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope Stephen Farrell