Re: [savi] WGLC: draft-ietf-savi-dhcp-22

"Eric Levy- Abegnoli (elevyabe)" <elevyabe@cisco.com> Tue, 22 April 2014 09:21 UTC

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From: "Eric Levy- Abegnoli (elevyabe)" <elevyabe@cisco.com>
To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>, Guang Yao <yaoguang@cernet.edu.cn>
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On 21/04/14 18:31, "Ted Lemon" <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:

>Do we really think there are modern layer 2 devices that will implement
>SAVI-DHCP that will not have IPv6 addresses?   This seems highly doubtful
>to me‹the devices that would only have layer two addresses would be
>unmanaged switches.   I have a cheap managed switch, and it has an IPv4
>address and a web server in it.   I think this is a non-problem.
>

The issue is not so much whether they have layer-3 capability, but rather
how they are being deployed. The one thing we cannot impose is to have a
layer-3 stack/address in every subnet a switch is operating on. An access
switch can deal with hundreds, sometimes thousands of links (vlans) and
while it will always have a layer-3 uplink for management purpose,
mandating one layer-3 downlink per vlan is often not operationally
acceptable.
For LeaseQuery, it's a slightly different issue (should not require one
layer-3 per vlan). It drives quite an operational provisioning complexity:
configuration, security, etc wise. . It is currently not very common to
deploy DHCP on access switches when the L2/L3 boundary is one layer up (on
aggregation/distribution). And I am not talking about the one you have at
home.
Eric