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Re: [savnet] A variation of DSAV as a BGP extension

"Lubashev, Igor" <ilubashe@akamai.com> Tue, 22 March 2022 22:12 UTC

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From: "Lubashev, Igor" <ilubashe@akamai.com>
To: "savnet@ietf.org" <savnet@ietf.org>, Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 22:12:42 +0000
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Subject: Re: [savnet] A variation of DSAV as a BGP extension
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Shunwan, thanks for your interest. I do not have a draft right now, but if there is interest in the approach, I am happy to work with someone to put one together.

- Igor

On Mar 22, 2022 2:44 AM, Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Hi Igor,

Thank you for sharing the useful information!
Do you have a relevant draft for this new BGP SAFI?

Kind Regards,
Shunwan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: savnet [mailto:savnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lubashev, Igor
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 12:15 PM
> To: savnet@ietf.org
> Subject: [savnet] A variation of DSAV as a BGP extension
>
> I am glad to see some renewed attention paid to SAV.
>
> Here is a quick proposal I've made on the topic @ IETF-101.
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-rtgwg-sessb-i__;!!GjvTz_vk!BwOeb7TQgTAoicxAhEUf643XgxFwqz9uQ8kfsXJ3uvf06VJ553cItMEboYL7NTA$
> ngress-filtering-for-asymmetric-routing-01
>
> The quick summary of the above:
>
> 1. We have a problem today, because we use the same BGP reachability
> advertisements for two separate purposes: advertising reachability and SAV.
>
> 2. The proposal is a creation of a new "SAV Allow" SAFI. Advertisements with
> "SAV Allow" SAFI are never used for forwarding and can only be used for SAV.
> 2a. The advertisements are secured against spoofing by all the usual means
> that BGP advertisements are secured.
> 2b. "SAV Allow" SAFI advertisements are transitive, unless a route (a regular
> or "SAV Allow") with the same or a shorter prefix is advertised to a peer. This
> is because the advertised route already serves "SAV Allow" purpose.
> 2c. Only routers that support "SAV Allow" SAFI get these advertisements.
>
> 3. The upside is that this seems like it would solve SAV problem and use just
> a simple BGP extension for it. The downside is that incremental deployment
> can only start with the routers that are originating the routes -- upgrading an
> intermediary router does no good, unless all routers between the path
> originator and itself have been upgraded.
> 3a. Compared to RFC8704, RFC8704 does not solve SAV completely, but it
> allows for a much looser increment deployment to be useful.
>
> Happy to discuss this more, of course.
>
> - Igor
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