Re: [scim] Work Items and Topics - Catalog and Tally

["Matt Peterson (mpeterso)" <[e-mail]>]

Darren,

Matt Peterson:  interested in and willing to work on 1, 2, and 6.

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Hi all

I am interested in the following items, ordered by personal relevance:
- 4. Soft Delete
- 8. Test Suite
- 1 & 2. Multi-Value Paging and Cursor Pagination
- 3. Relying Party User Provisioning

TL;DR
Quint Daenen: Willing to work on items 1-4 and 8.

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Most SCIM Servers I have interacted with already use Soft Delete 'behind the scenes'. I guess that it is never a bad idea to avoid potential data loss? The draft of Morteza Ansari is a good solution to extend the current spec to support this. It would be great to see this integrated with SCIM.

Today there are various SCIM implementations having their own 'additional' requirements. Such as a required email address, which is not the case in the default user schema. It is possible to define your own schema to enforce this. From my experience it is not that simple to check whether these implementations are compliant with the SCIM specification. I have already written some limited test suites. It would be great if a general Test Suite existed that can validate whether a server implementation is compliant with SCIM. This is all possible since all the needed information is retrievable from the Service Provider Configuration endpoints.

Multi-Value Paging would enhance the current filter possibilities. I think this is the most complex item in the list. It would make SCIM more complex, but at the same time more versatile. This would also avoid overwhelming the client and sp and make the responses cleaner.

The two most used pagination patterns in HTTP-based protocols are: Index Pagination, and Cursor Pagination. It would be of interest to be able to support both. If Cursor Pagination is already used in another application, it can be difficult to create a SCIM implementation for it.

Relying Party User Provisioning would make the scope of SCIM much bigger. I do not think SCIM is currently too big or difficult. Yet this would be a substantial addition to SCIM.

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Regards
Quint Daenen
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On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 9:57 PM Darran Rolls <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
In order to asses interest and commitment to specific topics and work items for a refreshed charter, I’ve captured the items discussed so far in the following table.  Please do two things 1) Review the list of items and let me know if there is other work we should be considering  2) By return message indicate the items you are personally interested in and are (more importantly) prepared to work on.  You can either send that message to me directly or back to this thread on the list.  I’ll then summarize the results back to the group.

I’ll start the process by saying:
Darran Rolls:  Willing to work on items 1-6,7,8

NOTE:  Time is of the essence.  Assuming we can get a BOF on the calendar for IEFT 108 next week, we’ll need this data to make our case for re chartering the WG.

#1
Multi-value Paging
Individual Draft
Phil Hunt
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#2
Cursor Pagination
Individual Draft
Matt Peterson
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-peterson-scim-cursor-pagination-00<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-peterson-scim-cursor-pagination-00&data=02%7C01%7Cmatt.peterson%40oneidentity.com%7C115b5f81864e48d965b408d82fbd17ff%7C91c369b51c9e439c989c1867ec606603%7C0%7C1%7C637311836504331865&sdata=%2F3QKbNpNLaAmnKj2mNbjHsl%2FL%2F16adzs5muYCYyNkSM%3D&reserved=0>
#3
Relying Party User Provisioning
Individual Draft
Mark Wahl
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#4
Soft Delete
Individual Draft
Morteza Ansari
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ansari-scim-soft-delete/<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ansari-scim-soft-delete%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cmatt.peterson%40oneidentity.com%7C115b5f81864e48d965b408d82fbd17ff%7C91c369b51c9e439c989c1867ec606603%7C0%7C1%7C637311836504341815&sdata=wtdvOevuX5PN0w4AN9LXBfKeBMEJVkjGdU12UsN1GUk%3D&reserved=0>
#5
New HR Schema
Concept
Matt Domsch

#6
PAM Schema
Individual Draft
Kelly Grizzle
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-grizzle-scim-pam-ext/<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-grizzle-scim-pam-ext%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cmatt.peterson%40oneidentity.com%7C115b5f81864e48d965b408d82fbd17ff%7C91c369b51c9e439c989c1867ec606603%7C0%7C1%7C637311836504341815&sdata=0IUg7YFUI%2BD9iFpMdnMl3OMFVpUFJs3pl23uS%2BjNQL8%3D&reserved=0>
#7
Interoperation Considerations
Concept
Darran Rolls

#8
Developing a Test Suit
Concept
Darran Rolls


Thanks

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