Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team

Leif Johansson <leifj@mnt.se> Fri, 19 October 2012 07:51 UTC

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From: Leif Johansson <leifj@mnt.se>
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:51:21 +0200
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Subject: Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team
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fine, are you willing and able to put in a substantive effort involving a few hrs work per week?

19 okt 2012 kl. 09:48 skrev Hannes Tschofenig <hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net>:

> I would like to be part of the design team. 
> Without being on the design team it seems impossible to get to know what is going on. 
> 
> On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Leif Johansson wrote:
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>> On 10/18/2012 05:32 PM, Eliot Lear wrote:
>>> Leif, Morteza,
>>> 
>>> I'm sorry to be a stick in the mud, but I don't understand the 
>>> objective of this design team.  Let's start with an easy question:
>>> 
>>> * What work are they supposed to do?  What issues are they
>>> supposed to address?
>>> 
>>> Put another way, I was not of the understanding that what is
>>> posted is a strawman, but based on running code.  If there is
>>> running code, it seems to me that the onus is on those in the WG to
>>> state issues.  There are a number, as I understand it.  A design
>>> team is necessary when something needs to be designed.  What here
>>> needs to be designed
>> 
>> 
>> I'm not sure if the email I send from my ipad is getting through so
>> forgive me if this (approximate) reply appears twice on the list.
>> 
>> The chairs believe that the SCIM WG are having trouble getting
>> started because there is a perceived need for non-trivial changes
>> in a "SCIM 2.0" relative to what we have in the current published
>> documents.
>> 
>> The purpose of a design team is to help the WG start that discussion
>> more quickly.
>> 
>> The chairs expect the design team to "right-size" itself very quickly
>> since on the first call (which was *NOT* an IETF activity) it became
>> clear that many who volunteered did not expect to be called on to do
>> actual work.
>> 
>> As with all design teams the intent is to produce a draft and present
>> it to the WG for discussion.
>> 
>> The chairs are there to make sure this happens.
>> 
>> I hope this helps to clear things up.
>> 
>>    Leif
>> 
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